Next Cycle and Diet Advice

Good day all

Been some time since I posted, and hope you are all doing well!

I did "Pump's Intermediate lean mass and strength cycle' twice now, and I'm preparing for my 4th cycle, later this year, and want to start stocking up. I'm also doing my bloods in 2 weeks' time, to make sure I'm good to go later this year, and that I recovered from my last cycle

My stats:

Age - 36
Length - 1.87m
Weight - 85kg
BF - 12%
Gym routine - 5 days a week. (20min cardio and 40-45 min weights per session)

Previous Cycle:

*Week 1 – 6 = Tbol Frontload @ 40mg ED (Axio)
*Week 1 – 12 = Test E @ 500mg weekly (2x 250mg per week)(HD labs)
*Week 1 – 18 = Proviron @40mg ED (still deciding on this one)(Bayer)
*Week 1 - 18 - Primo @ 400mg weekly (2x 200mg per week with the Test E)(EU Pharma)
*Week 13 – 18 = Anavar at 60mg ED (Axio)
*Week 19 - 23 = PCT 3 as per the sample cycles section (Kessar and Clomid (Pharma grade)
*HCG from week 4 @ 500iu weekly (2x 250iu per week)
*Arimidex on standby for gyno symptoms (Pharma grade)

The only sides I had was a bit of water retention every now and then, and increased resting heart rate. My weight went up to 90kg, and had good size and definition

I need some advice on adding a bit more size than with the cycle I mentioned above. I would also like to take a break from the Tbol, as sometimes my heart rate freaked me out, and I believe its due to the Tbol.

As you can see, I used a lot of compounds during my last cycle. I still believe the EU Primo was "fake" as I did not see the results that most people go on about. I also did not find the HD test to be as effective as the Bayer I used in the past.

Diet:

Meal 1 (B-fast)
*50g oats (raw weight) - I mix in some sunflower and pumpkin seeds with cinnamon, and teaspoon almond/peanut butter
6 egg whites and 1 whole egg
1x Banana

Meal 2
200g Hake/chicken
2x slice pineapple or 50gr Broccoli/Spinach
100g Basmati/Jasmine/Sweet Potato

Meal 3
200g Chicken breast
50g Broccoli/Spinach
Half an avo

Meal 4 (pre-workout)
1x Tin tuna
Mix greens (lettuce, cucumber)

Meal 5 (dinner)
250g Steak
Mix greens (lettuce, cucumber)
100g Basmati/Jasmine

Meal 6 (before bed)
6 Egg whites

Vitamins:

Omega 3 & 6, Vit C & D, Zinc, Magnesium, Essential Extreme. I then use a pre-workout and intra-workout drink

Questions:

1 - I want to change some of the compounds for a more "lean-bulk" result. Any suggestions?
2 - How would you rate my diet for what I want to achieve? any suggestions
3 - I really struggle to put size on my legs (and calves) - I started training legs twice a week, but no real result. The genetics are not on my family's side, and I have followed so many people's advice before. So any suggestions on this would also be highly appreciated

Thx gents and have a great weekend!!

Hi Bud.

I would add a carb source that is slow digesting to the pre workout meal experiment with oats here or do some Butternut in that meal. In your meal 2 I would increase the amount if it is Butternut 150-200g.

Compounds for more of a lean bulk Eq is solid just run it long enough otherwise look at Test Prop and NPP and Masteron if your diet is solid that would yield good results. For my netx Cycle early next year I am planning Test Prop Mast Prop and NPP

Thx Rooibul, think i might work out a cycle based on what you are planning!

Any sugestions on dosage on the compounds you mentioned? And how many weeks?

A good range for all 3 compounds 300-450mgs. You can lower or up the dosage on masteron/ npp
Cycle length I would say 8-10weeks+-

Hi Spazz.

Like Samz said you could do 100-150mg of each 3×per week or eod. I have used Test Prop and Mast Prop before and used a protocall of pinning 100mg Monday Wednesday Friday you could do 8-12weeks. I am just a fan of as litte as posible to see results snd also becuase I am cautious of the 19nors I am just going to do 100mg of each again Monday, Wednesday, Friday and only 8 weeks just to see. If all is good It is short enough to run again after PCT and time off possibly add a few weeks on the next run.

Hi all

Looking at the following cycle for a lean bulk. (Thx Sam and Rooibul for your comments earlier). This will be my 4th cycle, and I have been doing a lot of research, and as usual… I get conflicting advice and info on all the different forums. But what I’m sure of, is that I do follow advice from this site only, hence I ask the questions below. My diet and stats as per my initial post in this topic:

Week 1 – 12, Test E @500mg per week. (2x250mg)
Week 1 – 8, Eq @300mg per week (3x100mg)
Week 7 – 12, Tren Ace @ 450mg per week (3x150mg)
Week 8 – 14, Anavar @ 50mg ed
Week 15 – PCT 3 Start

*HCG @ 500iu per week (2x250iu)
* Adex on standby for gyno and water retention symptoms

Questions:

The Eq has the longest half-life. So that means I need to wait 50 days before PCT can start. This will then be week 15, if I’m correct?
With the Tren Ace – I believe I need Caber, at what dosage/times/duration? It will be my 1st time trying Tren though..

Thank you all

Hi, why add Equi? 8 weeks?

Hi Oupa

Saw this on another site. Is the duration too short, or maybe not even needed? That was my initial thinking, but looking for some expert advice

Thank you

I honestly don't think you need Equi for this short stint on your current schedule. I ran a very similar cycle but you need a lot more time to stretch the equi 12 - weeks min

Tren for a fouth cycle??

Drop the Tren and run Equi for 12 weeks OR Mast OR Deca
For cycle 5 & 6… try a cycle short esters TProp & NPP OR MastP

Look for cycles with above compounds up to cycle.. 9

Then maybe Tren at cycle 10…and TrenA first cycle 250mg/W
And see how you respond…
Personally, I feel run everything …before you go Tren…

TrenA @ 450mg/W first Tren cycle @ 85Kgs… :evil:
Maybe its just me but I was barking mad at 300mg/W @90Kg

Oupa wrote: I honestly don't think you need Equi for this short stint on your current schedule. I ran a very similar cycle but you need a lot more time to stretch the equi 12 - weeks min

Hi Oupa

What suggestion would you ha e around the caber (dosage/duration). I will also look at increasing the eq to 12 weeks as u suggest. But like u say, if i dont need it, then i dont. I want to state what Rooibul always says.. less compounds rather for optimum results

Chrrism wrote: Tren for a fouth cycle??

Drop the Tren and run Equi for 12 weeks OR Mast OR Deca
For cycle 5 & 6… try a cycle short esters TProp & NPP OR MastP

Look for cycles with above compounds up to cycle.. 9

Then maybe Tren at cycle 10…and TrenA first cycle 250mg/W
And see how you respond…
Personally, I feel run everything …before you go Tren…

TrenA @ 450mg/W first Tren cycle @ 85Kgs… :evil:
Maybe its just me but I was barking mad at 300mg/W @90Kg

Hi Chrrism

Never thought of it this way to be honest

Even if i have to lower the tren dosage, then so be it. I just want compounds that will give the results, but wanna stay away from the orals, except for the anavar in my last few weeks. And - im shit scared of decca-dick.. lol

Lol. Deca and Tren dick is the same thing, both 19's. Just use your caber. Grow well!

FIllet wrote: Lol. Deca and Tren dick is the same thing, both 19's. Just use your caber. Grow well!

Hehe thx Fillet!

Any advice on the dosage/duration please?

Thx bro

Run it 0.5mg every 5 days starting 5 days after 1st tren shot and extend for 2-3 weeks after last tren shot while the tren is leaving your body.

as a beginner i would probably also drop the tren dose to 100mg or even down to 75mg per shot to get my body used to it.
I'd rather start low and up the dosage if i notice the sides are bearable enough

Spazzz wrote:

Oupa wrote: I honestly don't think you need Equi for this short stint on your current schedule. I ran a very similar cycle but you need a lot more time to stretch the equi 12 - weeks min

Hi Oupa

What suggestion would you ha e around the caber (dosage/duration). I will also look at increasing the eq to 12 weeks as u suggest. But like u say, if i dont need it, then i dont. I want to state what Rooibul always says.. less compounds rather for optimum results

Less compounds for optimum results? How did he get to that?

Oupa wrote:

Spazzz wrote:

Oupa wrote: I honestly don't think you need Equi for this short stint on your current schedule. I ran a very similar cycle but you need a lot more time to stretch the equi 12 - weeks min

Hi Oupa

What suggestion would you ha e around the caber (dosage/duration). I will also look at increasing the eq to 12 weeks as u suggest. But like u say, if i dont need it, then i dont. I want to state what Rooibul always says.. less compounds rather for optimum results

Less compounds for optimum results? How did he get to that?

I cant remember the exact post but will go look for it. He mentioned to another member about the amount of compounds some guys might want to take that might be an unnecessary overkill and obviously health comes 1st. It made perfect sense to me

Hi gents

Need your advice please!

In week 8 of my cycle above. Started hcg from from week 2 (250iu x 2 per week). My nuts always shrink, but in the last week i barely notice them..

Can i increase the hcg, or just ride it out to pct?

I must add - i didnt go with the tren, will leave for next cycle. And also increasing the EQ to week 12

Ramp it up, no worry there. Gets the boys playing so PCT goes smooth.

00pump wrote: Ramp it up, no worry there. Gets the boys playing so PCT goes smooth.

Thx pump! Much appreciated

Maybe 3x250iu per week then? Can you advise on the dose?

Try it and see, there really isnt much scientific evidence around this, just simply what you using is not giving you the results you require so you need a bit of a higher dose. Start small like you doing, I sometimes land up in a hole where I need to do something like 3x 500ius EOD and then I can go back to how I was. I just needed a way to shock myself forward.

The thing about even unmixed HCG is degrades very fast in warm temperatures, and with UG stuff from China who knows how it was stored? Freeze fried, unmixed HCG should be kept in the fridge, or it's only good for max 2 months. It might be usable after that but less effective the longer it has been at room temperature.

So just up the dose like Pump advised and you should be fine.

Thx Bro!

I have pregnyl pharma grade, and expiry date is late 2019. Been in cupboard till i mix a vial, then straight to fridge. I have the 1500iu, split over 6 injections. So its 3 weeks in fridge when mixed

Will up to 3x 250iu per week and see how it goes

Spazzz wrote: Been in cupboard...

There’s the problem...

admin wrote:

Spazzz wrote: Been in cupboard...

There’s the problem...

Not sure how I ever missed this. I was really under the impression you should only put it in the fridge when its mixed. But lesson learned. Placed my order now for a fresh batch.