Cycle and dosage advice for beginner

Good day all!

So quite new to roids, used anavar but wrong. So i thought it's time to learn and read more about the products available.

My body is very sensitive to water retention and bloating so i don't think D-bol will work for me.Injecting is not an option as well( thought about just doing test-e but it's injection )

Could someone guide me the proper way to start pre cycle before using?
I was thinking Tbol for 6 weeks, 40mg ED with over the counter testosterone.As well milk thistle , multi-vita and omega's just to support the 6 weeks. My diet is quite good as we don't eat fast food much, no sauce in our foods, mostly protein filled foods.

i'm
1m79cm
78kg's
bf probably around 14-18%

If anyone can help me on how to start and usage as well? If you think tbol can be replaced feel free to suggest a replacement. I thought of Tbol cause of the sides are quite low and it has some gains in strength and slight mass with no water and gyno issues.

Thanks in advance all!

Welcome to the forum.

1: How do you know you are going to be sensitive to water retention and bloating if you only used Anavar up to now?
2: What is over the counter testosterone you plan to use?
3: Is there no way you want to use injectables?
4: Your diet needs work, avoiding junk food and focusing on protein is not good enough, see the dieting section for some great posts about diet basics and construction.

i can be wrong but i thought of trying( please correct areas where i should change or not do cause im still noob)

week 1 - USN testo and milk thistle loading
week 2 - methyl-1 test 10mg ed for 7 days( just for some boost )
week 3 - tbol at 30mg ed
week 4 - tbol at 50mg ed
week 5 - tbol at 60mg ed
week 6 - tbol at 50mg ed
week 7 - tbol at 40mg ed
week 7 - tbol at 40mg ed

i will run milk thistle through out the cycle and multi-vita and omega's

As i said i'm new with this so please do assist before i buy anything today.

Goal is to gain strength and some size, lean rather.

I do crossfit 3-4 times a week and run in between.

Welcome to the forum.

1: How do you know you are going to be sensitive to water retention and bloating if you only used Anavar up to now?
2: What is over the counter testosterone you plan to use?
3: Is there no way you want to use injectables?
4: Your diet needs work, avoiding junk food and focusing on protein is not good enough, see the dieting section for some great posts about diet basics and construction.

1: used prednisone for a week and picked up 4kg's, used superdrol a friend gave ( 1 week supply) and bloated with fluffy tummy so stopped.
2:Usn testo GH
3:No injections no
4:Junk food is 2-3 times a month

This is a good section to start on. Read all of these thoroughly

www.anabolicsteroids.co.za/articles

Once you've read those then move onto these

www.anabolicsteroids.co.za/forum/10-diet...eating-your-own-diet

Once you've read all that then come back with questions to the things you don't understand and maybe take it from there.

From my personal experience i was in the same boat as you are wanting to start oral only. After a few months of more research (yes a few months) i eventually started a cycle. Steroids are not as simple as a creatine or test booster. They come with sides and require responsibility when deciding to proceed with a cycle.

With that said, don't be afraid of them (especially injecting). Once you understand it you can use it for amazing things.

Good luck with your plans buddy

Hoosain wrote: This is a good section to start on. Read all of these thoroughly

www.anabolicsteroids.co.za/articles

Once you've read those then move onto these

www.anabolicsteroids.co.za/forum/10-diet...eating-your-own-diet

Once you've read all that then come back with questions to the things you don't understand and maybe take it from there.

From my personal experience i was in the same boat as you are wanting to start oral only. After a few months of more research (yes a few months) i eventually started a cycle. Steroids are not as simple as a creatine or test booster. They come with sides and require responsibility when deciding to proceed with a cycle.

With that said, don't be afraid of them (especially injecting). Once you understand it you can use it for amazing things.

Good luck with your plans buddy

Read through it,

Diet seems like it's on the same level as what i read in the diet section.

Hoosain wrote: This is a good section to start on. Read all of these thoroughly

www.anabolicsteroids.co.za/articles

Once you've read those then move onto these

www.anabolicsteroids.co.za/forum/10-diet...eating-your-own-diet

Once you've read all that then come back with questions to the things you don't understand and maybe take it from there.

From my personal experience i was in the same boat as you are wanting to start oral only. After a few months of more research (yes a few months) i eventually started a cycle. Steroids are not as simple as a creatine or test booster. They come with sides and require responsibility when deciding to proceed with a cycle.

With that said, don't be afraid of them (especially injecting). Once you understand it you can use it for amazing things.

Good luck with your plans buddy

As well, i have been reading up the last few weeks, so i aware of the sides and issues it may bring into your life.

That's why i thought of Tbol , people recommend at 80mg ed, but for start i want to be safe and not go over 60mg.

Yes i am taking this with caution as it can harm you.

I don't plan to do it for long, it's simply to boost me , breaking the plateau i'm stuck at now.

I went from 98kg's of fat boy to 76kg, started going up with my weights for strength and size, eating cleaner and drinking a lot less soda and alcohol.

It's nice that people using these roids are actually very caring of others and helping them out.

Well done on losing that weight.

I know it's not what you want to hear but I feel every cycle should be built off a testosterone base of some sort and there is really no option but to inject. Test Cyp you can get away with a weekly jab. It's really not a big deal and doesn't hurt at all if that's the issue.

Oral only cycles are ok but not great because of the stress they put on your liver, even just var or tbol. If you insist, then anavar is probably a safer bet than Tbol.

Forget about most of those OTC supplements, generally they don't do what they are selling to you and there's a reason you can buy them over the counter, rather spend that money on getting a body building dieticians advice and diet for your goals, and on whole foods. Your diet is the biggest thing, test isn't a magical elixir, if everything else is in order then you can think about it.

Lastly, if you're serious about a cycle, just take testosterone, really, you won't regret it.

Good luck.

Yeah like mfez said, test is the best option as a beginner. Anavar gave me good results in terms of strength and fat loss, however those results are short lived. Tbol is also safe but I have heard and seen of a few guys still gaining water weight even with some good brands. Test being your natural hormone would be the safest. Low dose and once a week is not that painful and you won't end up looking like the hulk letting everyone know you're on cycle.

If you really are after a boost then maybe look into sarms. They are getting excellent reviews and are not as harsh as aas. Some of them don't even require a pct and sides are almost non existent.

Whatever you choose though, just do it properly and you won't go wrong. If you are set on an oral only cycle have a look at the anavar and proviron cycle.

Believer wrote:
That's why i thought of Tbol , people recommend at 80mg ed, but for start i want to be safe and not go over 60mg.

80mg ED wow

Got my blood tested,

Doc says i'm a healthy bugger, so seems my diet is good!

Mfezdro wrote: Well done on losing that weight.

I know it's not what you want to hear but I feel every cycle should be built off a testosterone base of some sort and there is really no option but to inject. Test Cyp you can get away with a weekly jab. It's really not a big deal and doesn't hurt at all if that's the issue.

Oral only cycles are ok but not great because of the stress they put on your liver, even just var or tbol. If you insist, then anavar is probably a safer bet than Tbol.

Forget about most of those OTC supplements, generally they don't do what they are selling to you and there's a reason you can buy them over the counter, rather spend that money on getting a body building dieticians advice and diet for your goals, and on whole foods. Your diet is the biggest thing, test isn't a magical elixir, if everything else is in order then you can think about it.

Lastly, if you're serious about a cycle, just take testosterone, really, you won't regret it.

Good luck.

Thanks bud,

Yeah it's not about the pain of a needle or something to that extent. Just don't feel like taking it so far( though i get what you say about orals on the liver)

Var is $$$$ , any other choices to go on? Feel free to recommend anything.

After the Doc said my bloods are good i know i'm doing something right. I'm 78kgs like i said, body fat i'm not to sure. but sure it's below 20%

Some measurements
Bi- 3mm bf
Tri- 5mm bf
Subscap- 9 mm bf
supral- 10mm bf

Do you think i have room for Dbol? I'd like to gow low dosage so it's not obvious i'm on something :x Haha

Oupa wrote:

Believer wrote:
That's why i thought of Tbol , people recommend at 80mg ed, but for start i want to be safe and not go over 60mg.

80mg ED wow

Hi oupa, read a lot about you all over the forums

Wow as in lekker mass or wow as in are you mad?

I would advise you to stay away from dbol if you don't want people to know you're on something and if you want to avoid alot of water gain. Then just to deflate again after use.
If ever you do decide to do an oral only dbol is probably the one to stay away from.

Tbol and proviron can work as well, but not at 80mg a day. Go 40mg and you should be fine. Add proviron as well at 40mg-60mg per day and you should be good to go.

Please don't forget about PCT. All of this will be useless without PCT and you will do more harm than good to your body.

Hoosain wrote: I would advise you to stay away from dbol if you don't want people to know you're on something and if you want to avoid alot of water gain. Then just to deflate again after use.
If ever you do decide to do an oral only dbol is probably the one to stay away from.

Tbol and proviron can work as well, but not at 80mg a day. Go 40mg and you should be fine. Add proviron as well at 40mg-60mg per day and you should be good to go.

Please don't forget about PCT. All of this will be useless without PCT and you will do more harm than good to your body.

Alright sounds good,

40-50mg ED ?

Or do i scale it after a week from 30mg ed week 1 to 40mg ed week two?

And sorry can you give me a nice pct after this cycle?

Honestly you`ll be wasting money on meth-1-test and over the counter test.If your are to scared to pin,then your not ready for steroids.Tbol at 40mg`s ed is a good dosage.

Believer wrote:

Hoosain wrote: I would advise you to stay away from dbol if you don't want people to know you're on something and if you want to avoid alot of water gain. Then just to deflate again after use.
If ever you do decide to do an oral only dbol is probably the one to stay away from.

Tbol and proviron can work as well, but not at 80mg a day. Go 40mg and you should be fine. Add proviron as well at 40mg-60mg per day and you should be good to go.

Please don't forget about PCT. All of this will be useless without PCT and you will do more harm than good to your body.

Alright sounds good,

40-50mg ED ?

Or do i scale it after a week from 30mg ed week 1 to 40mg ed week two?

And sorry can you give me a nice pct after this cycle?

You can do 30mg first week and then bump to 40mg. Don't go higher though.

Read all the articles below before starting your cycle. Your PCT help will be in there as well. Use PCT 1

www.anabolicsteroids.co.za/articles

Hoosain wrote:

Believer wrote:

Hoosain wrote: I would advise you to stay away from dbol if you don't want people to know you're on something and if you want to avoid alot of water gain. Then just to deflate again after use.
If ever you do decide to do an oral only dbol is probably the one to stay away from.

Tbol and proviron can work as well, but not at 80mg a day. Go 40mg and you should be fine. Add proviron as well at 40mg-60mg per day and you should be good to go.

Please don't forget about PCT. All of this will be useless without PCT and you will do more harm than good to your body.

Alright sounds good,

40-50mg ED ?

Or do i scale it after a week from 30mg ed week 1 to 40mg ed week two?

And sorry can you give me a nice pct after this cycle?

You can do 30mg first week and then bump to 40mg. Don't go higher though.

Read all the articles below before starting your cycle. Your PCT help will be in there as well. Use PCT 1

www.anabolicsteroids.co.za/articles

Thanks,

Will give 40mg ed a go then, 6 weeks i'm assuming is the shortest ?

6 weeks is the max of an oral cycle.

Jono77 wrote: 6 weeks is the max of an oral cycle.

Shot

Think i'v got most info that i need

Thanks so far all

Like Jono said, 6 weeks max

Believer wrote:

Oupa wrote:

Believer wrote:
That's why i thought of Tbol , people recommend at 80mg ed, but for start i want to be safe and not go over 60mg.

80mg ED wow

Hi oupa, read a lot about you all over the forums

Wow as in lekker mass or wow as in are you mad?

Based on your stats, being 80kg and using 80mg tbol... nee fok. Im 130kg, and 60mg is hard on my liver.

Oky so how is this

Week1 -Tbol at 30mg ed
Week2 - tbol at 45mg ed, prov at 25mg ed
week3 - tbol at 45mg ed, prov at 50mg ed
week4 - tbol at 45mg ed, prov at 50mg ed
week5 - tbol at 45mg ed, prov at 50mg ed
week6 - tbol at 30mg ed, prov at 50mg ed
week7 - prov at 25mg ed, clomid at 100mg ed
week8- prov at 25mg ed, clomid at 100mg ed
week9- clomid at 50mg ed

Please edit where you feel i can change, this is the harder stuff i'm posting as i will use omegas and vita's as well.

Update on diet, healthier and went to 75kgs now.

hey buddy, have you read through the articles section? looks like you haven't yet.

Please read it. I might seem like a dick, but i don't feel comfortable fixing your cycle as i can see no research has been done regarding PCT. If you read the articles you will see exactly where you are going wrong. By not reading the articles it suggest you want to be spoonfed and are just in a hurry to start a cycle. This is not going to be good for your health at the end of the day

Hi, no to be honest.

Alright i'll move over and go read up( hate reading :x haha)