3rd Cycle, Test Cyp, Primo 200 & GW-501516

Hi Gents,

Starting my 3rd cycle, goal is to gain some lean muscle.

Turinabol @ 40mg/day (Day 1 - 25)
Test Cyp 250 @250mg/week (Day 26 - 103) - 12weeks stops one week earlier than primo
Primobolan Ethanate 200 @ 600mg/week (Day 26 - 109)
Proviron @ 20mg/day (Day 1-14) and then 40mg/day (Day 15 - 140)
GW-501516 @ 10mg/day (Day 79 - 137) up to 3 days before PCT starts
HCG5000 @250iu EOD from (Day 61 - 99) from week 6 IF testicular issues
Aromasin 20mg EOD start (Day 68 - 139 1 day before PCT
PCT starts on day 141 (32 days after last pin Primo)
Clomid @ 2x50mg (Day 141)
Nolvadex @ 20mg for 30 days (Day 149-178)
HCG5000 @ 500iu EOD (Day 149-167)

Questions:
1 - Seeing that I am Gyno prone, on previous cycle took Letrozole from day 1 through cycle and stopped on day of PCT, my question is, should I do as above? The post on Aromasin by Admin states Aromasin not longer than TWO monthes, mine is 71 days.
2 -Proviron in cycle, can I leave it out ( want stuff with little sides)
3 -Primo @ the above dosage en length of cycle(13 weeks)
4 -Can I lower Cyp to 200mg/week for try and elliminate potential sides
5 -Turinabol in or out, reason also want to minimize sides

I read that aromasin is much better than Letrozole, that is why I want to try that, in previous cycle I had sensitive nipples right through cycle with little bit of lump under both nipples.

Guys please give me wome much appreciated advice, Oupa especially from you, Admin and Pyro.

Thanks gentlemen

Hey stompie, cool idea for a cycle. I take it you are already lean.

I'll try and answer your specific questions a bit, later. My question is, why start Test Cyp on day 26? The Tbol doesn't make up for it. Did you maybe forget to add that you'll be on another Test ester from day 1 -26?

Hi Furk,

Firstly, thank you so much for replying, really means a lot. Body fat is on about 11 %. Furk, no, not on other test from day one, was just thinking of front loading the Turinabol. I wasn't quite sure if it was the right way, seeing that Oupa on one of his cycles show T with test from day 1. So, I would change that and start the same day as my test.

No stress at all.

Don't get confused between "kick-starting"and "front-loading". Kick start refers to taking orals in the very beginning of your cycle in the time you wait for main injectables to start working. Front-loading is increasing the dose of the main injectables for the first week or two. If you plot it on a graph you'll see the front-loaded injectables will reach the levels of your actual dose quicker.

So yeah, start test and Tbol from day 1.

stompie1 wrote: 1 - Seeing that I am Gyno prone, on previous cycle took Letrozole from day 1 through cycle and stopped on day of PCT, my question is, should I do as above? The post on Aromasin by Admin states Aromasin not longer than TWO monthes, mine is 71 days.
2 -Proviron in cycle, can I leave it out ( want stuff with little sides)
3 -Primo @ the above dosage en length of cycle(13 weeks)
4 -Can I lower Cyp to 200mg/week for try and elliminate potential sides
5 -Turinabol in or out, reason also want to minimize sides

1. Can't advise, or rather, someone with more experience can advise better.
2. Either. You can even sub the proviron for masteron enanthanate that you can pin with the primo. Taking either will enhance the effects of Test, especially helpful if you want to dose Test lower.
3. Primo dose: Fine, above 600mg the androgenic sides start to pronounce more. But I would like Oupa's opinion. I know he uses it often and favours it. Why do you start the Primo later than day 1 though?
4. I see no reason why not.
5. In. Things might start off too slowly with a kickstart. On the other side of concerns, if you want to limit Aromasin use due to liver health, not taking a oral kickstart will help.

Thanks Furk, I was not sure about the Turinabol, that is why I started Cyp and Primo later. Each now will be pinned together from day 1. I will take out Turinabol and proviron(still not too sure on this one though) and would take liver support a week earlier than Aromasin. I just need someone to assist me on the dosage and term as per my original post. And thanks for explaining the kickstart and frontload, dead on now.

Hi Stompie.

I wouldn't run the Primo longer than the test hey rather the Test longer than the Primo buddy.

Noted Rooi Bul, thanks. Any advice on the Aromasin?

Bud In my last two cycles I took Aromosin 20mg Monday, Wednesday and Friday.

I took it from day 1 and all the way through PCT but I also take 3 Essential Extreme a day 1 mornings one lunch and one pre bed.

You can start the Aromsin beginning week 5.

Rooi Bul thank you so much for your help, much appreciated. Oupa, would you please be so kind and give your much appreciated advice.

Strange but a well calculated cycle. Few issues

1. I don't like your test usage idea and then kicking off with orals that will suppress your natural test. Once your on your way to getting shut down, then you want to restore testosterone in your body, you will cause some havoc with hormones ,and then once you going, you blocking with Aromasin.

Whats your stats then we take it from there?

Hi Oupa, sorry for responding so late. 1.78cm, 83Kg, bodyfat 10%.

Oupa, according to my research SARMS should be taken with a test seeing that it suppresses the test. I was thinking on going for the Test Cyp 250 pinned twice a week (500mg per week) day 1-88(13 weeks). Aromasin from day 22-160(from week 4 to end of PCT) seeing that I am gyno prone. HCG 250iU EOD from day 36-74(week 6) if testicular issues arises. GW-501516 from day 61-119(from week 9). Oupa I was also thinking about the testosterone, increasing it, counteract with Aromasin and suppressing with GW. Please advise me

Hi stompie1, GW doesn't suppress at all... I've been on/off for the last 6 months, on cycle, after cycle, in PCT, no suppression at all.

Thx Optron.

@ Stompie... Leave your test @ 500mg per week. Your stats, that's perfect

Thanks Oupa. I have started cycle, nipples very sensitive, same as last cycle. This time want to check why anastrozole doesn't help that much, want to check if gyno is Prolactin related or Estrogen, bloods came back
Prolactin 18.4 ug/L
E2 390 pmol/L

Got the bugger, prolactin & Estrogen related. My question, why isn't Anastrozole(@12 drops =0.48mg) working seeing that it is an AI? For Prolactin I am gonna take Cabaser @ 0.5mg twice per week for 1st two weeks then drop dose to 0.5mg once per week? Next question, how would I know if Cabaser is working, should I keep using then up to PCT? Next question, should I drop Anastrozole and take Letro, which is a lot stronger @ 0.5mg

Thanks so much Optron