post PCT - feeling low

Hi

im new to forum :silly: stumbled upon it during my desperate research to get back on track. I humbly ask you to assist me as im close to panic mode.

Im a 37years old, not over weight, BF 12%, 1.74m tall, 72.6kgs weight.

this is my first cycle, was advised it was light and nothing to worry about.

sus - 1ml a week and Tbol (10mg) (50 tablets) to kick start

however my cycle story goes as follows:
started the Tbol and sus for 3 weeks and then had to stop due to knee injury(meniscus tear) which i had to go to hospital for an operation. i did not PCT as i figured out 3 weeks should not be an issue and i was fine - libido, sex drive all that was good.

3 months later, after recovery, i wanted to finish the balance of the gear. 6ml left in the vile and got another round of TBOL to kick start.
So this ran for 6 weeks @ 1ml a week.
i then had an another knee injury (ACL reconstruction) - this happened a week later after my last pin.

however after 30 days from my last pin - i started clomid (50mg) only - the first 3 days i took 2 tabs (100mg) and then 1 every day till the 20 tablets had been completed.

However i still felt very suppressed. i then went on hcg and nolva and aromasin - the hcg was 30units every second day (however i managed to only get 2 x 30units and 1 x 20units) out of the vile (used shree). i took 1 nolva in the morning and the evening took 1xnolva and 1 x aromasin.

i still feel like i have low libido or ED - which i never suffered before going on the gear.

i did blood work and the results as follows:

S-17b-OESTRADIOL (E2) - 97pmol/L
TESTOSTERONE (TOTAL) - 26.2nmol/L
SEX HOR. BINDING GLOBULIN - 21.10nmol/l
FREE TESTOSTERONE - 737pmol/L
S-FOLLITROPIN (FSH) - 1.6 U/L
S-LUTROPIN (LH) - 3.4 U/L

Please can gurus on the forum assist me to get me back to healthy/norm

Thanks.

Go get yourself some HCG again Pregnol the 5000iu's vial
Shoot 2500 Ius monday another 2500Ius Wednesday
Basically its the 100Iu insulin syringe
Get Provirion, take 2 a day and start with DEHA run this for 4 weeks
Get yourself some Suppliment SA TestoBlast three a day to to pick up your own thest this will also increase you Libido

Should be sorted after 4 / 5 weeks

Centurion Bio wrote: Go get yourself some HCG again Pregnol the 5000iu's vial
Shoot 2500 Ius monday another 2500Ius Wednesday
Basically its the 100Iu insulin syringe
Get Provirion, take 2 a day and start with DEHA run this for 4 weeks
Get yourself some Suppliment SA TestoBlast three a day to to pick up your own thest this will also increase you Libido

Should be sorted after 4 / 5 weeks

That is some terrible advice.

00pump wrote:

Centurion Bio wrote: Go get yourself some HCG again Pregnol the 5000iu's vial
Shoot 2500 Ius monday another 2500Ius Wednesday
Basically its the 100Iu insulin syringe
Get Provirion, take 2 a day and start with DEHA run this for 4 weeks
Get yourself some Suppliment SA TestoBlast three a day to to pick up your own thest this will also increase you Libido

Should be sorted after 4 / 5 weeks

That is some terrible advice.

what do you suggest 00pump?

I'm sure one of the other members will advise something shortly.

Romeo.

Have your nuts dropped and are they back to normal size or are they still smaller than they originally were?

while on HCG is dropped back to norm - when i came off the HCG a week after or so - its smaller then original

as per bloods is my levels normal? the free test seems very high - could my body be converting the test to estrogen and i might need to do arimidex?

the e2 count looks towards the higher end of the scale - but not sure

To be honest your e2 is only really slightly elevated than it needs to be, a happy point for your e2 is between 60-70 And yours is only slightly elevated. Now the issue comes in if you are to take an ai such as arimadex you are going to get a rebound post usage. So the only thing to use here would be a suicide inhibitor such as aromasin. But then again it is not really necessary. Your free test levels are good. Which is what you want.

The only real thing I could suggest here is running another bout of tamoxifen(nolva/kessar) and then run it with a mucana at 1000mg 2x daily And some longolio jack based supplement. Those 2 alone would be a brilliant combo to help things out. There is science that mucana at if I remember correctly run at 2g daily has the ability to raise testosterone levels quite a bit. I must look for the study to make sure.

Remember that estrogen isn't always the devil, if your estrogen levels are at rock bottom then you are in for joint issues and blood lipids being out of whack.

how long after that 2nd pct did you do your bloods. Sorry I might have missed it and I am replying on my phone.

I would just do a PCT 1 as in our article section.

Follow it up with 3g DAA for a month or so and report back

Empire wrote: To be honest your e2 is only really slightly elevated than it needs to be, a happy point for your e2 is between 60-70 And yours is only slightly elevated. Now the issue comes in if you are to take an ai such as arimadex you are going to get a rebound post usage. So the only thing to use here would be a suicide inhibitor such as aromasin. But then again it is not really necessary. Your free test levels are good. Which is what you want.

The only real thing I could suggest here is running another bout of tamoxifen(nolva/kessar) and then run it with a mucana at 1000mg 2x daily And some longolio jack based supplement. Those 2 alone would be a brilliant combo to help things out. There is science that mucana at if I remember correctly run at 2g daily has the ability to raise testosterone levels quite a bit. I must look for the study to make sure.

Remember that estrogen isn't always the devil, if your estrogen levels are at rock bottom then you are in for joint issues and blood lipids being out of whack.

how long after that 2nd pct did you do your bloods. Sorry I might have missed it and I am replying on my phone.

about a week

is mucana and longolio jack an off the shelf supplement - i.e dischem?

Rooi Bul 86 wrote: I would just do a PCT 1 as in our article section.

Follow it up with 3g DAA for a month or so and report back

Hi Rooi Bul,

Im currently taking NUTRITECH TESTO GROWTH NXT in the eve which contains D-Aspartic Acid of 1000mg - would that be sufficient? or can you recommend another please?

Get the normal DAA alpha from Nutritech and take it with the Testo Growth at Night that is what I do. The Testo Growth already Contains Long Jack in the form of Tongat Ali it is the same thing. I always use DAA and Testo Growth after PCT

Empire wrote: To be honest your e2 is only really slightly elevated than it needs to be, a happy point for your e2 is between 60-70 And yours is only slightly elevated. Now the issue comes in if you are to take an ai such as arimadex you are going to get a rebound post usage. So the only thing to use here would be a suicide inhibitor such as aromasin. But then again it is not really necessary. Your free test levels are good. Which is what you want.

The only real thing I could suggest here is running another bout of tamoxifen(nolva/kessar) and then run it with a mucana at 1000mg 2x daily And some longolio jack based supplement. Those 2 alone would be a brilliant combo to help things out. There is science that mucana at if I remember correctly run at 2g daily has the ability to raise testosterone levels quite a bit. I must look for the study to make sure.

Remember that estrogen isn't always the devil, if your estrogen levels are at rock bottom then you are in for joint issues and blood lipids being out of whack.

how long after that 2nd pct did you do your bloods. Sorry I might have missed it and I am replying on my phone.

found the research on Mucuna:

supplementsinreview.com/testosterone/muc...uriens-testosterone/

Mucuna pruriens is a tropical bean plant used in agriculture, traditional herbalism, and as a food source. Research suggests its active ingredient — L-DOPA — may work as a natural testosterone booster by:

Increasing luteinizing hormone (LH). LH signals for the synthesis and release of T.
Boosting Follicle Stimulating Hormone (FSH). FSH helps with teste growth and sperm production.
Blocking the female hormone Prolactin. High prolactin levels can drive down testosterone in men.

If memory serves me correct, quite some time back I think there was a member on the forum with a similar problem and someone advised him to do pct3 which sorted him out...

Wayne wrote: If memory serves me correct, quite some time back I think there was a member on the forum with a similar problem and someone advised him to do pct3 which sorted him out...

Yes that is true Wayne, the reason PCT3 was suggest was due to slightly elevated E2 level and PCT3 makes use of Aromasin which will sort that out.

an update, after 2 weeks

I been taking Mucuna twice a day, niacin (vit b3) from solal in the eve and testo Growth at night - a huge improvement, i have not done bloods again - however i can feel the difference and the mrs is happy again

thank you!

Glad to hear you are starting to come back man.

Try getting some DAA in there you won't regret it

Thank RooiBul - doing so now

just a question, not sure if i should start a new thread, however here goes:

what does this mean for me, in terms of if a light cycle like sus and tbol can shut me down - will i be able to go on another cycle, or rather would it be advisable and if not what are my options? sarms maybe?

Look don't let anyone tell you otherwise any steroid cycle is going to shut you down does not matter light or heavy. That's why you will se me and a lot of the veterans on here prefer to rather over shoot ou PCTs and do blood test before a cycle and again 8 weeks or so after PCT just to see how well you recovered and the pre cycle bloods then give you a level to which you should to recover or better before cycling again.

Do your PCT and then take the amount of time that you were on cycle and on PCT and add them together this is the amount of time that you should just train and eat and rest properly don't use any Sarms or Anabolics.

If you are truly concerned about your HPTA and every man should be then I would say yes SARMS are a better option but again don't go on hearsay or guesswork do blood tests before you cycle and again after your cycle to see how much they suppressed you and then do your PCT and 8weeks after do bloods again that is the only way to go about it.

If you are easily suppressed then the new Male Hybrid Ripped Physique product could also be for you as a PCT 1 as in the article section is enough to recover from a cycle of that and also for any SARM cycle you might run