Fat Gain/Bloat on 1st Bulk

Hi guys,

I need some help with if what I'm doing is normal or doing something wrong, I'm getting fat(er) and bloated.

30yrs
1.92m
98kg
3rd cycle

I've only done 2x cutting cycles in the last year, one was 10wks test E @ 275mg a week and Wk 4-10 Anavar 80mg ED. The other was Test prop 120mg EOD for 8 weeks, 60mg Tbol Ed week 1-3, Winny inject 100mg EOD wk 3 to 8.

Both cycles were training 8 days per week, 1800cal/day. I dropped quite a bit of BF over the year that these 2 cycles took place, so am trying to do a bit of a clean bulk now before cutting again in October - December.

Current cylce:

140mg test prop EOD week 1 to 8
120mg NPP EOD week 1 to 8
40mg Dbol ED week 1 and 2
100mg Winny EOD week 3 to 8
0.25 Adex ED
0.25 Caber E3D
HCG 250iu E4D week 2-8
PCT:
Nolva 40mg ED wk 9 to 10, 20mg ED wk 11 to 13 (3 weeks)
Clomid 50mg ED wk 9 to 11 (2 weeks)

I'm 3 weeks in and have had to drop the Dbol, just ran it as a kickstart until the NPP and test get to work. Up 5kg these 3 weeks and strength is through the roof but Dbol made me feel like shit, lethargic,

I reckon half of this weight is water/fat on my belly, really uncomfortable, estimate I'm around 20% Body Fat now which isn't great. Should I push through with the bulking cycle or start cutting, I've never bulked so not sure if the bloat and fat gain is normal? Running the Winny just for the SHGB properties and to try reduce the water retention. (As an aside, HD labs Winny doesn't seem to agree with me, I've got unbelievable PIP from 100mg Winny inject. Going to do 50mg inject EOD and 50mg tabs ED in between the injects).

My appetite is really suppressed and I'm kakking to get in 3000 clean calories, I almost vomited today. Oh, also, I've been low carb (less than 50gr carbs) for the last year so 300gr carbs per day now is seriously uncomfortable.

Advice plz?

Pieman wrote: Hi guys,

I need some help with if what I'm doing is normal or doing something wrong, I'm getting fat(er) and bloated.

30yrs
1.92m
98kg
3rd cycle

I've only done 2x cutting cycles in the last year, one was 10wks test E @ 275mg a week and Wk 4-10 Anavar 80mg ED. The other was Test prop 120mg EOD for 8 weeks, 60mg Tbol Ed week 1-3, Winny inject 100mg EOD wk 3 to 8.

Both cycles were training 8 days per week, 1800cal/day. I dropped quite a bit of BF over the year that these 2 cycles took place, so am trying to do a bit of a clean bulk now before cutting again in October - December.

Current cylce:

140mg test prop EOD week 1 to 8
120mg NPP EOD week 1 to 8
40mg Dbol ED week 1 and 2
100mg Winny EOD week 3 to 8
0.25 Adex ED
0.25 Caber E3D
HCG 250iu E4D week 2-8
PCT:
Nolva 40mg ED wk 9 to 10, 20mg ED wk 11 to 13 (3 weeks)
Clomid 50mg ED wk 9 to 11 (2 weeks)

I'm 3 weeks in and have had to drop the Dbol, just ran it as a kickstart until the NPP and test get to work. Up 5kg these 3 weeks and strength is through the roof but Dbol made me feel like shit, lethargic,

I reckon half of this weight is water/fat on my belly, really uncomfortable, estimate I'm around 20% Body Fat now which isn't great. Should I push through with the bulking cycle or start cutting, I've never bulked so not sure if the bloat and fat gain is normal? Running the Winny just for the SHGB properties and to try reduce the water retention. (As an aside, HD labs Winny doesn't seem to agree with me, I've got unbelievable PIP from 100mg Winny inject. Going to do 50mg inject EOD and 50mg tabs ED in between the injects).

My appetite is really suppressed and I'm kakking to get in 3000 clean calories, I almost vomited today. Oh, also, I've been low carb (less than 50gr carbs) for the last year so 300gr carbs per day now is seriously uncomfortable.

Advice plz?

what the hell did I just read :blink:

This cycle is a complete screw up to put it lightly

8 Day week. I feel like I had one of those last week.

Back to topic.

You were previous in n big calorie deficit. 1800 cals a day is very low. (and doing it long term will slow down your metabolism as your body adapts to it) Then jumped to 3000 cals. This is were I think you problem lies. Whenever you make changes to your diet, you need to make them gradually. 1800 to 3000 cals is n very big jump.

Please post your diet and your macros, and then we can have look at it, and give you better advice.

Wk1-4 dianabol @30mg/day
Wk1-8 test prop & npp @ 1ml eod (depending on brand "1ml")
Could drop the npp nd just do
Test prop nd winny @50mg a day (if injectable if oral at 30mg a day)
Wk1-8 arimidex @0.25-0.5mg a day (depending on sides) caber at 1mg a week
pct
Clomid 2 weeks @ 100mg a day
Then Nolverdex after @ 20mg a day for 30 days
Hcg @ 500ius a week split dose. My 2cents

Winstrol u cud run it at last 4weeks of your cycle at the above doses

Thanks so the replies so far.

Macro's are carbs, protein, fats 40/35/25. Struggling to get down 3000cal clean calories like wild rice, chicken breasts etc.

Bloating and fat gain normal?

My 5c worth,

with the amount of gear you specified in your cycle and the duration, and given the sides you experiencing Vomiting nausia and lack of appitite you more than likley experiencing sysmtoms of swolen liver and or kidneys due to toxcicity in your body this is typical result of over use of gear cut it back a bit you should be fine especially on the orals,

Thanks.. Yeah thinking of dropping the Winny altogether, won't make a difference at 20% body fat methinks.

Appetite is COMPLETELY gone, going to reduce Winny, give it a week and if I still can't eat I'll drop it completely. Might also reduce the NPP

Will I still grow if I only eat 2500 cal?

You should only run the winny when you start to see vascolarity anything before that is a waste, Winny will dry you up it wont cut the fat, Id drop that and the Dbol no point running dbol with Test Prop, defents the object of running prop you trying to cut the water with running fast actting test (Prop) then you put water back by running dbol, it its strength you after run Superdrol or Ment, you better off, why running Nolva and Clomid ? Go with one or the other,
run provirion twice a day during cycle this will limit the amount of PCT ull need to run after,
no point running PCT if you plan on using again within a 12 week period, or you body will just be getting back to normal test prodcuting and you cut it off again, so if you planning on 12 weeks off after this then by all means

Depends on a number of things, first fix cycle, What food will make up the 2500c your weight your bf your conditon

Centurion Bio wrote: why running Nolva and Clomid ? Go with one or the other,
run provirion twice a day during cycle this will limit the amount of PCT ull need to run after,
no point running PCT if you plan on using again within a 12 week period, or you body will just be getting back to normal test prodcuting and you cut it off again, so if you planning on 12 weeks off after this then by all means

This is very bad advice!

CenturionBiotics wrote: You should only run the winny when you start to see vascolarity anything before that is a waste, Winny will dry you up it wont cut the fat, Id drop that and the Dbol no point running dbol with Test Prop, defents the object of running prop you trying to cut the water with running fast actting test (Prop) then you put water back by running dbol, it its strength you after run Superdrol or Ment, you better off, why running Nolva and Clomid ? Go with one or the other,
run provirion twice a day during cycle this will limit the amount of PCT ull need to run after,
no point running PCT if you plan on using again within a 12 week period, or you body will just be getting back to normal test prodcuting and you cut it off again, so if you planning on 12 weeks off after this then by all means

say what :blink:

Bliksim this CenturionBiotics dude is posting wild advice like it is no ones business and worst part is he is posting it like he has faith in it...

Take it with a bag of salt guys...

Pieman

You upped your calories too quick too soon bud after being in a deficit for so long your metabolism slows down way down your body is in survival mode. It was primed for fat and weight gain and you gave it what it needed and wanted too much calories too soon. After a bug deficit for some time it is better to slowly up your calories some say weekly others say monthly this is called reverse dieting

CenturionBiotics wrote: You should only run the winny when you start to see vascolarity anything before that is a waste, Winny will dry you up it wont cut the fat, Id drop that and the Dbol no point running dbol with Test Prop, defents the object of running prop you trying to cut the water with running fast actting test (Prop) then you put water back by running dbol, it its strength you after run Superdrol or Ment, you better off, why running Nolva and Clomid ? Go with one or the other,
run provirion twice a day during cycle this will limit the amount of PCT ull need to run after,
no point running PCT if you plan on using again within a 12 week period, or you body will just be getting back to normal test prodcuting and you cut it off again, so if you planning on 12 weeks off after this then by all means

Mate, your spelling and grammar is awful. I know that this is the internet, but it's still important; especially when you give advice on the use of AAS. It needs to interpreted and understood correctly, otherwise the other person could seriously hurt themselves. That said, not all your advice is not completely sound in any case.

PCT: It will be a better protocol to run Clomid followed by Nolva. They are unique and do play different roles.
Proviron: It could totally be advantageous to run Proviron during your cycle, but it's a bad idea to use Proviron as a reason to shortcut the PCT.