First cycle this summer. Need the expert's advice

I'm 3'd year university now and I'm gonna do my firs cycle this summer . I gonna do test prop and VAR and I want to avoid as much sides AP. I have no trouble with gynecomastia what so ever, but the thing is I store ALL my fat in the waist and hip section, it's unbelievable !! Also I am very serious about my skin being clear and I do NOT want to risk that (have done accutane in the past), also no issues with male pattern boldness thank goodness. So this is what I wanna do, please advise me if you see any problems.

WHILE ON CYCLE: {350 mg test prop for 8 weeks and 60mg VAR for 6 weeks}
1. LP Aromasin - to keep that waist tight and to avoid gyno
2. finasteride - to avoid acne
3. milk thistle - to avoid any liver problems
4. HCG - to avoid my shutdown ps. I am definitely gonna run it while on cycle just, need advice for the dosage please.

Because I'm running so many things that can lead to gyno and water retention I have no idea about what my dosages should be for the Aromasin. Also, please list any other products that you guys feel are great to stay healthy and recover smoothly (money is no problem when it comes down to my health).

MY STATS by the way:
6ft5, 14-15% body fat, 94 kg's, 32In waist (want to hit 30 just cause I can), shoulders (pretty fucking huge), so you get the image right.

I have a PCT that includes: clomid, nolva, more milk thistle, more aromasin and some SARMS lol, I don't feel comfortable with it though, I need personal advice for my body. My health always comes first in my opinion but any person with a brain will know that gear is must in the near future, if you reached you full natty potential. Thanks for taking the time, I love this sight and everyone on it

Welcome Alberta.

What are your goals and what does your training and diet look like? Also, how do you know that you are not gyno prone?

How do you plan on dosing your cycle?

Been training long for time man and I'm not new to this trust me. At the moment I'm just doing a clean bulk while writing exams but I'm gonna go to a nutritionist to get my personal diet and stick with it forever I gauss. Looking to compete in a few years also. Traing 2 times a day when I cut, fasted cardio and then weights obviously. I did my firs cut last year and I lost a ton of muscle but was shredded AF. dosing test prop 350 mg week for 8 weeks and VAR 60mg for 6 weeks.

Honestly man I would wait till the end of your exams to start the cycle, if i was you, it will take a lot of study time away from you to make all the food, especially on a clean bulk.

But the other thing is, if this is your first cycle, you have a lot of compounds in there (like finasteride, it should be used as a last resort for your skin not the first, washing properly and sun light exposure will help for skin). Also you want to use SARMS on PCT? That is really not the best way to do a pct as the SARMS will suppress your natural production, thus rendering your PCT ineffective.

But what is your goals?

I am gonna wait till the end, I'm finishing the 22'd and my goal is to get as lean as possible. I have pretty insane genes haha, been natty for a long time and I did my research (looked into finasteride today gonna skip on that). Just want to recover perfectly cause without a good pct there is no point. So I need people with experience to reply and give me some real advice, give me some names of more products and stuff to help combat problems.

I would say that you must replace the testosterone propionate with testosterone cypionate or testosterone enanthate. The reasons for this is:

1: If you are not use to pinning on a regular basis you can cause a lot of scar tissue or have a lot of post injection pain

2: I know you want to use the shorter ester to minimize water retention, but if you are not stepping on stage the difference in water retention will be very little especially if you are running aromasin.

And for the dose I would suggest 300mg split into 2 150mg injections a week (I can feel the hate coming for this comment), this is as you say you just want to lean out. Running a lower dose, will firstly minimize side and secondly will still be enough testosterone to sustain muscle mass in a caloric deficit.

As for the Anavar that is a good dose to run

Already bought the prop (EU pharma 125), not pinning myself someone is gonna do it for me, so it's chilled. So I'm gonna have to pin every other day (75mg about 4 times a week)...

Oh cool, well I would love to follow your cycle and hear about the progress.

Will do so, also anyone that wants to know a bit more about EU pharma products can follow this page. Gains will be made from the 1st of Dec.

I don't know much, but I do feel that a Prop ester for a beginner cycle seems to be too harsh. I will rather start with an Enanthate and maybe use the VAR alongside while ending the cycle off with Clen.

You should obviously have your blood levels checked out before and after a cycle.

Normal PCT applies etc.

Albertt wrote: I'm 3'd year university now and I'm gonna do my firs cycle this summer . I gonna do test prop and VAR and I want to avoid as much sides AP. I have no trouble with gynecomastia what so ever, but the thing is I store ALL my fat in the waist and hip section, it's unbelievable !! Also I am very serious about my skin being clear and I do NOT want to risk that (have done accutane in the past), also no issues with male pattern boldness thank goodness. So this is what I wanna do, please advise me if you see any problems.

WHILE ON CYCLE: {350 mg test prop for 8 weeks and 60mg VAR for 6 weeks}
1. LP Aromasin - to keep that waist tight and to avoid gyno
2. finasteride - to avoid acne
3. milk thistle - to avoid any liver problems
4. HCG - to avoid my shutdown ps. I am definitely gonna run it while on cycle just, need advice for the dosage please.

Because I'm running so many things that can lead to gyno and water retention I have no idea about what my dosages should be for the Aromasin. Also, please list any other products that you guys feel are great to stay healthy and recover smoothly (money is no problem when it comes down to my health).

MY STATS by the way:
6ft5, 14-15% body fat, 94 kg's, 32In waist (want to hit 30 just cause I can), shoulders (pretty fucking huge), so you get the image right.

I have a PCT that includes: clomid, nolva, more milk thistle, more aromasin and some SARMS lol, I don't feel comfortable with it though, I need personal advice for my body. My health always comes first in my opinion but any person with a brain will know that gear is must in the near future, if you reached you full natty potential. Thanks for taking the time, I love this sight and everyone on it

hey man this is just some food for thought with regarding the milk thistle 'The problem with Milk Thistle is that it inhibits certain functions within your androgen receptors, thereby making the steroids (androgens) you’re taking less effective – this is why it has been studied as a possible chemoprotective agent for androgen dependent cancers. The active component in Milk Thistle effectively reduces nuclear androgen receptor levels (click for the full study), and down-regulates several androgen-regulated genes primarily by inhibiting the transactivation activity of the AR, and can also inhibit nuclear localization of the androgen receptor. Admittedly this study only looks at certain site-specific androgen receptor cells, in certain situations' I just use liv52 as a liver protectant as it contains no milk thistle and is very cheap (about r80 for a bottle of 60caps)

AestheticsBruh wrote:

Albertt wrote: I'm 3'd year university now and I'm gonna do my firs cycle this summer . I gonna do test prop and VAR and I want to avoid as much sides AP. I have no trouble with gynecomastia what so ever, but the thing is I store ALL my fat in the waist and hip section, it's unbelievable !! Also I am very serious about my skin being clear and I do NOT want to risk that (have done accutane in the past), also no issues with male pattern boldness thank goodness. So this is what I wanna do, please advise me if you see any problems.

WHILE ON CYCLE: {350 mg test prop for 8 weeks and 60mg VAR for 6 weeks}
1. LP Aromasin - to keep that waist tight and to avoid gyno
2. finasteride - to avoid acne
3. milk thistle - to avoid any liver problems
4. HCG - to avoid my shutdown ps. I am definitely gonna run it while on cycle just, need advice for the dosage please.

Because I'm running so many things that can lead to gyno and water retention I have no idea about what my dosages should be for the Aromasin. Also, please list any other products that you guys feel are great to stay healthy and recover smoothly (money is no problem when it comes down to my health).

MY STATS by the way:
6ft5, 14-15% body fat, 94 kg's, 32In waist (want to hit 30 just cause I can), shoulders (pretty fucking huge), so you get the image right.

I have a PCT that includes: clomid, nolva, more milk thistle, more aromasin and some SARMS lol, I don't feel comfortable with it though, I need personal advice for my body. My health always comes first in my opinion but any person with a brain will know that gear is must in the near future, if you reached you full natty potential. Thanks for taking the time, I love this sight and everyone on it

hey man this is just some food for thought with regarding the milk thistle 'The problem with Milk Thistle is that it inhibits certain functions within your androgen receptors, thereby making the steroids (androgens) you’re taking less effective – this is why it has been studied as a possible chemoprotective agent for androgen dependent cancers. The active component in Milk Thistle effectively reduces nuclear androgen receptor levels (click for the full study), and down-regulates several androgen-regulated genes primarily by inhibiting the transactivation activity of the AR, and can also inhibit nuclear localization of the androgen receptor. Admittedly this study only looks at certain site-specific androgen receptor cells, in certain situations' I just use liv52 as a liver protectant as it contains no milk thistle and is very cheap (about r80 for a bottle of 60caps)

While we on this subject, is there any information regarding how much it "REALLY" affects steroid induced androgen increase. When this information comes to light it is on around people with natural levels / well at least people who are not taking androgen increasing hormones. I'm not being funny, I just don't feel like going to dig to see if there is any real evidence that it will effect someone on a steroid cycle, and if so, its probably less than whats wasted inside your pins when you done..

00pump wrote:

AestheticsBruh wrote:

Albertt wrote: I'm 3'd year university now and I'm gonna do my firs cycle this summer . I gonna do test prop and VAR and I want to avoid as much sides AP. I have no trouble with gynecomastia what so ever, but the thing is I store ALL my fat in the waist and hip section, it's unbelievable !! Also I am very serious about my skin being clear and I do NOT want to risk that (have done accutane in the past), also no issues with male pattern boldness thank goodness. So this is what I wanna do, please advise me if you see any problems.

WHILE ON CYCLE: {350 mg test prop for 8 weeks and 60mg VAR for 6 weeks}
1. LP Aromasin - to keep that waist tight and to avoid gyno
2. finasteride - to avoid acne
3. milk thistle - to avoid any liver problems
4. HCG - to avoid my shutdown ps. I am definitely gonna run it while on cycle just, need advice for the dosage please.

Because I'm running so many things that can lead to gyno and water retention I have no idea about what my dosages should be for the Aromasin. Also, please list any other products that you guys feel are great to stay healthy and recover smoothly (money is no problem when it comes down to my health).

MY STATS by the way:
6ft5, 14-15% body fat, 94 kg's, 32In waist (want to hit 30 just cause I can), shoulders (pretty fucking huge), so you get the image right.

I have a PCT that includes: clomid, nolva, more milk thistle, more aromasin and some SARMS lol, I don't feel comfortable with it though, I need personal advice for my body. My health always comes first in my opinion but any person with a brain will know that gear is must in the near future, if you reached you full natty potential. Thanks for taking the time, I love this sight and everyone on it

hey man this is just some food for thought with regarding the milk thistle 'The problem with Milk Thistle is that it inhibits certain functions within your androgen receptors, thereby making the steroids (androgens) you’re taking less effective – this is why it has been studied as a possible chemoprotective agent for androgen dependent cancers. The active component in Milk Thistle effectively reduces nuclear androgen receptor levels (click for the full study), and down-regulates several androgen-regulated genes primarily by inhibiting the transactivation activity of the AR, and can also inhibit nuclear localization of the androgen receptor. Admittedly this study only looks at certain site-specific androgen receptor cells, in certain situations' I just use liv52 as a liver protectant as it contains no milk thistle and is very cheap (about r80 for a bottle of 60caps)

While we on this subject, is there any information regarding how much it "REALLY" affects steroid induced androgen increase. When this information comes to light it is on around people with natural levels / well at least people who are not taking androgen increasing hormones. I'm not being funny, I just don't feel like going to dig to see if there is any real evidence that it will effect someone on a steroid cycle, and if so, its probably less than whats wasted inside your pins when you done..

Just a quick study I found www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11532861

Your dosage test is low for your stats, even the var is.