Nothing in the tank, low libido, want to sleep.

I’m going into week 5 of my first cycle of 9 weeks (short cycle). Libido is down and I feel like shit. Morning wood is there but nothing much more than that. Just want to sleep permanently, nothing in the tank.

My first week was great, felt good and energetic, crashed after second week.

Here’s my stats:

20% BF, 28y/o.

Diet is clean. 50/30/20 (220gr protein, 132gr carbs, 39gr fat).

I’m doing a body recomp, eating 1800 calories per day.

Gym twice a day except for Wednesday, Saturday and Sunday, they’re my rest days. Doing a lot of HIIT. Overload sets mixed with treadmill/burpees. Hit gym at 04:30 for 45min then again at 18:00 for 1hr. Trimming up OK, dropping fat and up about 3kg on scale.

300mg Test E/week
60mg Anavar/ ED
300iu HCG E4D
0.25mg Adex E3D
6x Liv 52 DS ED
SSN Vitamin pack ED

Is my diet crap? E2 too high/low? Overdoing it in the gym (too frequent)?

I stopped the adex 6 days ago to see if it’s an E2 issue, still feel kak. How long does it take to pick up again if it crashed because too much adex?

Unfortunately no access to blood tests.

Thought I would feel like superman on gear, but feeling more like a permanent hangover.

Is the test E 300mg 2x a week? or just the one? and alos why only 300iu HCG?

Could be that your nervous system is a bit drained and you are overtraining.

post an example of your diet and breakdown per meal.

You could try and do a reefed every 5 days or bring up your fats a little. How tall are you?

Hi Demolish,

Test E 300mg is pinned on Sundays, so once a week. 300iu HCG because such a short cycle (300iu E4D, going to up it to 600iu E4D before PCT starts, thinking just enough to keep things plump.

I’m 1.91m tall.

Diet breakdown example (taken from myfitnesspal which I use to track calories/macro's)

Scrambled Eggs - 2 Large Eggs - Scrambled, 2 eggs (140g)
USN Hardcore - B4-bomb pre-workout, 1 scoop
Usn - 100% Whey Protein Chocolate Cream, 68 g

Lunch
Woolworths - Brown & Wild Rice, 50 g 1
John West- Light Meat Solid Tuna In Salt Water - Tuna 120g, 120 g (Drained) 1
USN - Diet Fuel Ultralean, 55 g 1

Dinner
Vegetables- - Steamed Mixed Vegetables (Grams), 100 g
USN - Pure Protein GF-1, 56 g
Steak - Grilled, 250 g 480

Snacks
Apple (Raw) - Apple, 150 gr
Carrots, baby, raw, 3 large
Generic - Honey 1 Tsp, 1 level teaspoon (6g)
Freshpak - Green Tea, 1 cup

TOTAL: 1,732 (calories) 98g (Carbs) 46g (fat)

oh i missed the short cycle part. Why only 9 weeks? Test E is a long ester and it only kicks in fully after a few weeks.

one of the more experienced guys might chime in, but usually people do 2 x 300 mg test e pins a week and 2x 250 IU HCG a week. usually Monday and Thursday.

diet wise, 1x Jumbo egg is usually +- 65g and about 8-10g of protein. Try and increase that maybe and get more calories in from solid food instead of shakes

Demolish wrote: oh i missed the short cycle part. Why only 9 weeks? Test E is a long ester and it only kicks in fully after a few weeks.

one of the more experienced guys might chime in, but usually people do 2 x 300 mg test e pins a week and 2x 250 IU HCG a week. usually Monday and Thursday.

diet wise, 1x Jumbo egg is usually +- 65g and about 8-10g of protein. Try and increase that maybe and get more calories in from solid food instead of shakes

My boy. I like your style

Pie,

Have you been running the Adex since day 1? Maybe lay off for a week, killing all estrogen can result in less endurance.

Otherwise your snacks, try best not to consume a food without a protein. The added protein will keep blood sugar more stable if you are eating carbs for snacks.

Is the honey for the tea?
Honey's health benefits are overrated, please don't tell me you use it as that?

You are totally brand loyal to USN LOL.

Lastly the Testen I feel is too low, but it won't make you feel crap the whole time. First priority is to stable your test levels by pinning more often. Twice weekly should be fine. At least you won't have a big dip then.

Edit: Just read your initial comment on Adex. Apologies mate.

Hi Furk,

The honey is just to sweeten up my tea, instead of sugar. Or maybe twice a week when I have a craving I chow one teaspoon of honey, that usually curbs the sugar cravings for another two days or so.

Not really loyal to USN, I was doing that weight loss diet of theirs to drop weight so that I could cycle, just found myself getting used to their stuff. Keen to try something different, the protein, creatine and pre-workout AI have now is sickly sweet, terrible.

I'll lay off the Adex for a while still and then see if the upped carbs and calories make me feel better.

Will also take your advice and pin twice a week, the big sleepiness hits me on Wednesday (I pin on Sunday) so definitely makes sense to pin 2x a week. Was also considering bumping up the test to 500mg/week, just wondering if it's not too late in the cycle to do that since I only have 4 weeks to go?

"eating 1800 calories per day" :woohoo:

You're 1.91 tall, training twice a day four times a week and eating as much as my 50kg wife eats. That is why you are exhausted bro.

If he is 1.91m at 20% bodyfat his body will be able to sustain the caloric deficit. I don't think your estrogen is too low as your dosage of adex is low. There are a couple of things it is most likely:
1) You are sick
2) Your CNS is overloaded from all the exercise.
3) You are eating too clean, which means you have too little sodium, which means you are dehydrated.
4) Less likely, you have a vitamin deficiency. Specifically vitamin D or K.

Nonsense. He is training too much for that amount of food. Different story if you're using stimulants to give you an extra push.

Stop training twice a day... And incorporate more whole foods. That is why you get exhausted.

Thanks gents

Seems body recomp is more difficult than I anticipated. Burning fat while adding some muscle is a stuff up even when on gear. Either-or. I was losing a lot of of muscle just on the cutting diet, gear has helped to maintain but I agree that I'm overdoing it and not getting the right amount of calories. I was thinking the same as Pyroclasm, that my body would burn my 20% BF. It did to an extent, but then I crashed, big time. Missed half a day's work on Tuesday, slept all morning, couldn't get up.

I hit the gym only once yesterday and once today and upped my calories to maintenance. Feeling tons better, could be this or because it's been more than a week off Adex. Getting moon face and BP slightly up. Getting back on Adex tomorrow at 12.5mg E3D and if I crash again I know this was contributing, but I think it was a combination of overtraining and under grazing, so hopefully sorted!

I was in the same boat as well after my 4th week. Was gyming twice a week as well, and i was eating a ton. Figured out should only gym once a day and eat a LOT more than what i was even when training twice a day. This might just be me but also after my morning session i would come home and crash till the afternoon eat and pass out again. I was actually loosing weight as well. Since i changed to gyming once a day, i feel awesome and picked up 5Kgs. But like i said that was me....might be something else effecting you. Worth a try and see what happens. good luck.

Killa, were you still dropping BF when you dropped your training a bit and ate more?

NO, i got pretty fat in the abs area. Well i still am but i have a month left of my cycle and ending on winstrol. So hopefully it will go away. When i was training twice a week i was ripped and shredded like you cant believe. I must tell you this week that passed i trained twice a week to catch up on a week off. And it went well, all is fine. Im still new to all this so im learning as i go and from you guys.

Muscleaddict wrote: Nonsense. He is training too much for that amount of food. Different story if you're using stimulants to give you an extra push.

Regardless if he uses stimulants, at that height and Bf% I am guessing 100kg at 20% BF (you know most likely higher). This means he has a BMR of 2100cals, and dependent on genetics his TDEE is probably 2100x1.5=3150cals. 20-25kg of fat is enough to sustain a 1350cals deficit without experiencing extreme fatigue or burnout. Please read my post again for the reasons I think he has burnout. I used to train that much and no matter how much I ate (I am an extreme endomorph) my CNS simply couldn't handle it.