non aromatizing cycle

Hey guys,

I need some solid advice. I tried a test cycle starting in august/september and i had to stop 5 weeks in due to severe side effects. I was on bayer testoviron 2ml per week split. mid cycle i had a very high BP and i constantly felt like i was going to pass out during the day, even blurred vision. this even occured when the bp was not to high.i also had really bad sleep apnea. I had to stop the cycle and did a pct.

I thought i would try another cycle 2 weeks ago, trying another test compound and a different brand. dragon pharma prop and axio tbol. it wasnt even 1 week and these side effects hit hard again. my bp was not so bad but the dizziness and tiredness was so bad i had to leave work. the apnea was so bad i couldnt sleep, every 2 minutes i would find myself gasping for air.

Does anyone have any insight into what is going on here? I took a week break and on thursday tried 1 tbol tab again and immidiately the effects started. It seems anything to do with testosterone is causing this?

What advice could you guys give on running a solid cycle that is not test based, that could provide some quality gains?

Mr crabs wrote: Hey guys,

I need some solid advice. I tried a test cycle starting in august/september and i had to stop 5 weeks in due to severe side effects. I was on bayer testoviron 2ml per week split. mid cycle i had a very high BP and i constantly felt like i was going to pass out during the day, even blurred vision. this even occured when the bp was not to high.i also had really bad sleep apnea. I had to stop the cycle and did a pct.

I thought i would try another cycle 2 weeks ago, trying another test compound and a different brand. dragon pharma prop and axio tbol. it wasnt even 1 week and these side effects hit hard again. my bp was not so bad but the dizziness and tiredness was so bad i had to leave work. the apnea was so bad i couldnt sleep, every 2 minutes i would find myself gasping for air.

Does anyone have any insight into what is going on here? I took a week break and on thursday tried 1 tbol tab again and immidiately the effects started. It seems anything to do with testosterone is causing this?

What advice could you guys give on running a solid cycle that is not test based, that could provide some quality gains?

You are caught between a rock and a hard place.
What I think is not so aromatizing is:
Tren, being most anabolic
masteron
Primo
Var
Winny.

How to put that together or design a cycle without test I would have no idea, think only the mods are admin could help you out there.

yeah its very frustrating.

I was thinking of maybe trying winny, ghrp6 and masteron?

Why not start off with the Anavar and Proviron Cycle in the Article Section under Sample Cycles.
Proviron provides androgen base almost like test but test would be best. So if that Anavar and Proviron works well then next time you keep it in and peplace Anavar with Winstrol or so...

Did you self diagnose your side effects of the cycle or did you see a professional?

Are you overweight? What is your resting blood pressure? If you're getting messed up from 500mg/test per week then you are going to have a problem with most 'decent' steroids. There are studies documenting the side effects experienced by many men at 500-600mg testosterone per week, and what you are experiencing is not normal for healthy guys. You need to first address your underlying health issues. You should not be thinking about a cycle now.

Muscleaddict wrote: Are you overweight? What is your resting blood pressure? If you're getting messed up from 500mg/test per week then you are going to have a problem with most 'decent' steroids. There are studies documenting the side effects experienced by many men at 500-600mg testosterone per week, and what you are experiencing is not normal for healthy guys. You need to first address your underlying health issues. You should not be thinking about a cycle now.

Ye I agree, somethings not on, that's why I asked what I did.

I did see a doctor when this happened. I had blood work done. liver and kidneys were fine, she just told me to stop the test immediately as my test levels were obviously high and thats what she beleived was the cause of all this.the test levels just showed greater than 52. I am in good health otherwise ( from what i know). My blood pressure on a average day is around 130/80.
What kind of underlying health issues are we talking here? should a trip to a endo be the best move?

age 28
weight 88kg
bodyfat 12%

Muscleaddict wrote: Are you overweight? What is your resting blood pressure? If you're getting messed up from 500mg/test per week then you are going to have a problem with most 'decent' steroids. There are studies documenting the side effects experienced by many men at 500-600mg testosterone per week, and what you are experiencing is not normal for healthy guys. You need to first address your underlying health issues. You should not be thinking about a cycle now.

less than 500mg. 1 jab of 0.5ml prop started the effects.

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Less common side effects to those sensitive to testosterone, A MAYO CLINIC STUDY

Less common
• Bloating or swelling of the face, arms, hands, lower legs, or feet
• blurred vision
• feeling faint, dizzy, or lightheaded
• feeling of warmth or heat
• flushing or redness of the skin, especially on the face and neck
• frequent strong or increased urge to urinate
• headache
• nervousness
• pain, redness, or swelling in the arm or leg
• pounding in the ears
• slow or fast heartbeat
• sweating
• swelling of the breasts or breast soreness in both females and males
• tingling of the hands or feet
• unusual weight gain or loss
• waking to urinate at night