PCT Protocol gone wrong !

Hi guys,

I have been following this forum, reading and learning from it for the past year. Would like to thank everyone for sharing their knowledge. Must say I've learned a lot .

Have done 4 cycles in the past.

The last cycle i did was Test E 600mg/week, Equipose 600mg/week, both for 15 weeks, kicked in the first 6 weeks with Dbols at 30mg/day. Had Nolva as SERM, and eveything else was done the right way. However, in my previous 3 cycles, i did my PCT according to what some guy at the gym instructed me to do, and it all went well. On this last cycle, i chose to do my PCT exactly as this website suggests, PCT PROTOCOL N. 2 . Waited 50 days after my last shot, and then started with PCT. Everything was going smooth, CLOMID picked me up perfectly fine ( LIBIDO and Erections were up the roof), UNTIL i had me 1st shot of HCG. The next day after shooting HCG, my erections DROPPED completely. Libido was down, sex drive was completely low. But yet, i kept on shooting HCG up till the 5th time ( 2500IU's in total), and then quit it, and just continued with NOLVA up till the end of the pct protocol. The reason i quit HCG was because i had used it in my previous PCT's, and this time it was having an opposite reaction on me. This PCT was done in August, I've thankfully slowly recovered, fully recovered at the moment, but took me a while ( 6 months ).

My question is, what really happened ? Isnt HCG supposed to mimic LH (leutenizing hormone) which causes the Leydig cells in the gonads to produce testosterone, thus restoring the size of the testes ? Then why did it have a completely opposite reaction on me ?

A few guys told me that HCG should be used before CLOMID and not after it, and that might be the reason why it reacted in that way. But i would like to hear from the members of this forum, your replies will be highly appreciated.

I'm planning to start my next cycle anytime soon, and would like to know what went wrong so i don't make the same mistake again.

Thanks .

Whatever the cause of your problem, the actual protocol is not to blame. Thousands have used these protocols successfully and you should look for the issue somewhere else in your cycle.

When you ran into problems the right and best thing would have been to go for blood tests to see what was out of whack... Without that it would be impossible for any of us to tell you what happened.

Could be many reasons why what happened happened.. I do not like using hCG myself during PCT without Aromasin.. You could have during those 50 days, used hCG and then gone straight to Clomid / Nolva afterward. The thing it's impossible to say what happened (increase in estrogen maybe?), but like Rooi Bul said the bloods are the only way to make an educated assessment.

I have no idea what I've done wrong. The only thing different from the previous cycles was the waiting time (instead of 2-3 weeks i waited 50 days), used HCG before clomid, and used Ovigil as HCG instead of Pregnyl.

Please correct me if im wrong, but could there be a possibility that the waiting time was just enough for my body to start producing LH & FSH = natural test, and by supplementing myself with HCG, it may have caused Leydig cell desentization to LH?

How effective is Ovigil based on your experience ? Has anyone used it? I hated the fact that it comes in amps and not a vial for easy mixing. My storing method was not so appropriate as well. Since it comes in amps, i had to store it in insulin needles and kept it that way in the fridge. Thought that might have been the problem, but the most that could have happened was the HCG loosing its potency, and not killing my sex drive.

I will be doing blood tests in a week before kicking in with the next cycle:

Total Testosterone
Free Testosterone
LH&FSH
CBC
Estradiol

Are Prolactin, SHBG , T3 & T4 needed ?

My cycle will be:

Week 1-15 - Test E 600MG - Testen 300 (PGW)
Week 1-15 - Equipose 700MG - Equi350 (PGW)
Week 1-6 - Dbols 30MG - 50MG
Nolva or Arimidex (whichever is needed)
HCG from week 3 up to the end of the cycle at 500iu's / week.

Nolva or Arimidex (whichever is needed)

Thinking of adding Nandro-Prop 150 (Nandrolone Phenylpropionate) from week 6 - 12 .

What are your suggestions?

Thanks for the replies .

Your testosterone to estrogen balance is more than likely off and that is causing your problem. HCG is taken with an AI in PCT because it increases estradiol. The higher your HCG dose the more the increase in E2 vs T.

I will keep that in mind , thanks a lot for your reply . Now regarding the blood tests and the cycle, could you please advise ?

Those blood tests are fine. Prolactin, SHBG , thyroid only needed if your results come back looking sad.

Run the test E 2 weeks longer than the EQ because it clears your system much faster. You don't want to have very low T the last 2 weeks before PCT. You will be more prone to gyno and feeling crap. I would run winny for 4/5 weeks or anavar for 5/6 weeks before PCT.

Sweet, thanks ALOT MA. Will definitely do that, and will do a winny bridge before PCT.

As for NPP, can i shoot it from week 6-14 , EOD or E3D? Havent found a logical explanation as to whether its okay to mix short and long easters.

Thanks .