Cutting cycle - safe and cheaper

Hi guys,

I'm looking at a new cutting cycle, it is based on the beginners cutting and strenght cycle posted by 00pump.

Instead of using the Proviron I want to use Winstrol as it is better rated for fat loss and strength gain. Yes Proviron 20 has a lower side effect than Winstrol but I would like to decrease the amount of Winstrol to 2 x 50 tabs.

So my cycle will consist of
2 x Anavar 20
2 x Winstrol oral
1 x Clenbuterol (2 weeks on and off)
Milk Thistle throughout and 2 weeks thereafter

PCT
Clomid
Nolvadex

My reason for this cycle is I have stubborn fat around the mid section which I struggle with.
My bf is at 18%.
I have ran, added cardio and adjusted my diet and I'm still struggling to dump it.

I don't take any other supplements currently.

What do you guys think and please advice with reason.
Much appreciated.

I think its a kak cycle

Reason

You don't cycle steroids to loose fat, you do cardio and follow a proper calorie deficit diet. Winstrol @100mg per day + Anavar ? So how will your body produce its natural hormone called testosterone when the orals shut you down?

Don't know that is why I'm asking?
Would the cutting and strength cycle posted by 00pump be better and why? I only changed with Winstrol as it is more effective that Proviron.

I would only go to omg per day on Winstrol and 60mg on Anavar. (I ment to say 100 tabs in total)

As I said, I have been trying hard, 5 days a week and I still struggle.

What diet would you prescribe?

Replacing the Proviron with Winstrol, 2 drugs with different roles. Proviron was put in there for a specific reason. Winstrol will make cardio a pain, and since your goal is fat-loss, you'll be doing cardio. And steroids won't cut you up, they'll make you harder at your low BF for sure.

Plus Winny shuts you down hard and fast (for an oral). If you wanted to do an oral only cycle with Winny in, I would advise HCG in the cycle to make PCT smoother.

Ok so Winny not so good choice.

So would you rather stay with the Proviron in the cycle as is?

How would I learn what combinations to use and which not to use?

I have read all the info twice and I still struggle to make up my own cycles.
What do I want to be on the look out for when combining several drugs.

At 18% BF you don't need drugs, you need to diet and do cardio, as almost everyone in this thread has mentioned. Var, winny, proviron, it's all pointless TBH. Also, at 18% you don't only have "stubborn fat around my midsection", no offense.

Let's leave the drug talk for now, tell us everything about your current diet and cardio regime.

While we are this topic.

Can Winstrol and Proviron work together?
Winstrol lowers you testosterone build where Proviron counteracts for that?

@Zaber

Can you give us a break down of your training and what type of cardio you do?

Also a sample of roughly what you eat per day and the meals?

Mr. Schmidt, are you calling me fat???? :woohoo:
My apologies, I was at 12% mid last year and I do feel less bf.

3 eggs and oats in the morning
I dont have a specific diet but I eat clean, no sugar, no sauces, no bread, little carbs, no carbonated drinks, no alcohol.
Lots of chicken and basmati rice. Fish and salad. Tune with crackers.
I eat 5 times a day, small meals.

Cardio = Heavy weights 5 times a week
Abdominal 3 times a week at least
I tend to do higher reps.
Running steps and occasional treadmill running.

Your diet is your problem. If you can't tell us actual volumes and weights of foods/meals and how many calories you're eating then that's the issue. To get lean you have to track exactly what you're eating, and eat that consistently everyday.

Also a run every now and then and lifting heavy weights does not equal cardio :blink:

Sorry I didn't go into detail.

I do have a scale and I do measure my food.
Sometimes I guess cause by now I now the portion sizes.

I do have the calorie tracker on my phone but i got lazy.

I see what you mean.
I'm 85kg at 1.76 meter.
I need to eat less than 2800 calories per day for weight loss.

My focus is to loose all the extra fat and then gain muscle, a lot.
Just to give you an idea, my biceps measures 44 mm.

Thanks for redirecting me.
Diet and cardio

To get leaner: eat below maintenance (calorie deficit)
To get bigger: eat above maintenance (calorie surplus)

There really isn't any other way, or any secrets or magic tricks. It just comes down to calories in VS calories out.

Zaber wrote: Just to give you an idea, my biceps measures 44 mm.

Wow! My d!ck has more girth than that! :lol:

Haha, ja your d!ck is small, we all know that
Centimetres is what I ment

Eidolon wrote:

Zaber wrote: Just to give you an idea, my biceps measures 44 mm.

Wow! My d!ck has more girth than that! :lol:

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: +1 bro