I f***ed up -- experts please help!

Hi Guys

I'm based in Cape Town and created an account for the sole purpose of posting this quandary :blush:

Here's the story:

I'm an ectomorph, through and through. Tall, skinny and battle to gain despite sustained periods of intense workouts and eating like a rabid wolverine. The periods usually last a year or so, but, unable to break through the plateau after gaining 1.5 kg's max, I lose motivation and give up.

My brother lives overseas and has the same body type. For whatever reason, he decided to give anabolics a go a few years ago and put on some impressive size (+- 12 kg's) which he's kept to this very day (even though I train twice as hard as him, he barely works out actually). His cycle was anapolon (i.e. anadrol) to kickstart, 200mg deca a week, and 500mg test. Being overseas, he managed to source his stuff from Turkey or something. He told me he couldn't believe the gains he got from the anadrol especially.

Anyway, a few weeks ago I decided enough is enough, and if it worked for him, it'll surely work for me. I'm new to Cape Town, and have never dabbled in this stuff before, and had no idea how to go about getting hold of the goods. So I called up an old friend in Durban who claimed to know a guy who might be able to help.

Long story short, I wired some cash to Durban and my acquaintance sent me the following in the post:

Danabol (100 blue heart pills, 10mg each)
Deca (10 ampules, 100mg each)
Test cyp (one 10ml vial containing 250mg per ml, supposedly) (the test is made by a 'company' called Athos Pharma)

I've been taking 4-5 of the blue hearts (dbol) per day, and inject the Deca and test cyp twice a week, making for a total of 200mg Deca and 500mg test.

Now for the problem:

I wasn't expecting any miracles right away, but the scale has barely budged. I've picked up 0.6 kg's since starting this cycle 3 weeks ago, which I put down to the extra workouts and eating I've been doing. Definitely nothing like my brother picked up right off the bat with his anapolon/anadrol.

Now for the real problem :S :

Over the last few days my ability to achieve and sustain an erection for more than 5 seconds has become next to impossible. Libido is zilch. I've never been the best in that area, and have suspected naturally low testosterone levels for a while now, though I've never had it checked out at the doctor. Still, getting hard and finishing the sex act has never been an issue. But now it's like my dick is a shadow of its former self. Could this be the dreaded deca-dick? I've read that one shot of deca is enough to shut down the body's natural test production to practically zero, which is why you take it in conjunction with test, right?

The thing is, I'm seriously doubting the legitimacy of the products I received (at least the dbol and test). Has anyone heard of this test manufacturer, Athos Pharma? Are they reputable? Their website is dodgy as hell. They claim to be a manufacturer of affordable generic pharmaceuticals in the European region, but all of their product descriptions are clearly punting directly to bodybuilders, which no reputable lab would ever do? I also find exactly ZERO reviews for their products, anywhere on the web.

At this point I feel like I need to ditch the deca and dbol (pretty sure these are fake too) and get hold of some anapolon/anadrol and genuine test, before it's too late and my dick falls off. Again, I have no idea how to go about things. I realise it's strictly against the rules to post sources/suppliers on these boards, so I don't expect that.

Still, any advice at all would be highly appreciated.

Shot chaps

I was going to say something different but decided not to.

Anyways I am sure one of the more knowledgeable members will chime in and be able to assist you down the right path. From what I have read and understand is that deca increases prolactin levels and you need to take something with it to reduce those levels and that it is the raised prolactin levels causing your problems down south and not due to low testosterone.
Too be honest, if you struggled to find a good source for some of the more basics steroids you might not be able to find the stuff you need to help recover yourself - in which case you might need to goto an endocrinologist or similar... Although let someone with more experience chime in first. Not all endo's keep up to date with the latest and greatest etc. I would rather take advice from some of these forum members than an endo

As for being a hard gainer, chances are your eating isn't on point. I too use to classify myself as a hard gainer - do yourself a favour and start counting your calories and after you have worked out what your maintenance caloric intake is and then see how your eating compares to what you should be eating.

With a cycle like what you were trying to do, a lot of the weight you pick up will be water weight and you will lose it after your cycle. My advice is stick around and do a lot more reading on these forums and learn as much as you can so that you can make more informed decisions in the future.

If you suspected your test levels were low, you should have gotten them tested. It costs around R300 / R350 I think? If they were infact low then if you followed the correct procedures to increase them you could very well have ended up with some nice gains naturally and better quality of life due to normal test levels.

Sound advice, Psyclown, many thanks. Endocrinologist sounds expensive, so I hope it doesn't come to that :lol:

I guess I was just inspired by my brother's success, so went into the whole thing blind. Incidently, he used the same test from Athos Pharma in his second cycle (he picked it up from the same source when he was back in Durbs a while ago) and said the effects were profoundly less impressive than his first cycle from a different manufacturer. So at this point, I'm really wondering whether to continue on this cycle or abort mission. I could be injecting cooking oil for all I know.

At any rate, I'm running out of the 'Danabol', which has had absolutely zero effect thus far. No moon face, no bloating, none of the strength gains and pumps you read about online. I'm pretty confused by the whole situation

Limp_biscuit wrote: Incidently, he used the same test from Athos Pharma in his second cycle (he picked it up from the same source when he was back in Durbs a while ago) and said the effects were profoundly less impressive than his first cycle from a different manufacturer.

I'm not defending Athos Pharma or saying they are good, but you will never gain as much as your first cycle on follow-up cycles so just because your brother didn't make the same gains as his first cycle doesn't mean the brand is to blame necessarily.

Just keep positive and stick to the plan and ONLY judge the gains at the end of the cycle. I see it so many times where people for some reason start believing stuff are fake and then start messing with their cycles instead of concentrating on diet and training. In the end it's the messing around and loss of focus that really hurt their gains and not the gear after-all.

admin wrote: I'm not defending Athos Pharma or saying they are good, but you will never gain as much as your first cycle on follow-up cycles so just because your brother didn't make the same gains as his first cycle doesn't mean the brand is to blame necessarily.

The interesting thing is that besides the absence of appreciable gains on his second run, the other 'effects' of test were absent too. He says he was horny as hell the first time round, but not with the Athos.

I think you're right--I should just keep with the cycle and reserve judgement till the end. The thing is, I only ordered enough of the Athos test and deca to last five weeks of my ten week cycle. I did that to avoid wasting cash in the event that the stuff is fake or doesn't work out, with the idea that I'd simply order more if it did work out after the first 5 weeks.

So I'm in a bit of a tricky spot, since I don't know whether to re-order from the same guy or not. Again, I know posting supplier details on these boards is strictly forbidden, and I totally respect that, but I'd really feel better about dealing with someone face to face here in Cape Town who deals in better-known brands (PGW etc.).

So, generally speaking, how does one go about getting in touch with a reputable supplier? Approach the biggest guy at the gym? Seems like a recipe for a PK :lol:

Mods--apologies if I'm overstepping any boundaries here.

Limp_biscuit wrote: So, generally speaking, how does one go about getting in touch with a reputable supplier?

This is pushing it, because we cannot answer this question without breaking the rules.

admin wrote: This is pushing it, because we cannot answer this question without breaking the rules.

Noted

PK

I have always wondered how this would feel like, knowing that the one feels, tastes and smells better than the the other.

There really is no analogy between these two terms, yet they are often used together to express a feeling...

If you have been bodybuilding long enough you will be able to source it.. not maybe by a proffered supplier but you will have a starting point.. chat, take your time, or even ask your doctor if he will jab you once a week. I know many who do

So, against all better judgement, I went ahead and approached the biggest guy at gym yesterday. Seriously, this guy's a powerhouse.. absolutely massive. Turns out he's also a legend of an oke. Mission accomplished, no PK

Thanks for all the advice gents. Happy to be part of the forum here. And hopefully Mr Happy downstairs will get what he needs :lol:

Limp_biscuit wrote: So, against all better judgement, I went ahead and approached the biggest guy at gym yesterday. Seriously, this guy's a powerhouse.. absolutely massive. Turns out he's also a legend of an oke. Mission accomplished, no poes klap.

Thanks for all the advice gents. Happy to be part of the forum here. And hopefully Mr Happy downstairs will get what he needs :lol:

Glad you got a source. What exactly do you plan on getting from your new source though - have you done some research on what is best to get and take and the pre-cautions with deca, PCT etc?

PsyCLown wrote: What exactly do you plan on getting from your new source though - have you done some research on what is best to get and take and the pre-cautions with deca, PCT etc?

I think I'll tell the guy my history and hope he has some stuff at hand to get those prolactin levels down. I've done a lot of research, but to be honest, most of it goes way over my head. I'm no scientist haha

Secretly hoping this Athos test is legit after all (since I have about a third of the vial left) and I get a sudden surge in strength and size. I don't want to be massive (though I wouldn't complain), just don't want to be the scrawniest dude at the gym anymore. Curse these lanky genes

Limp_biscuit wrote:

PsyCLown wrote: What exactly do you plan on getting from your new source though - have you done some research on what is best to get and take and the pre-cautions with deca, PCT etc?

I think I'll tell the guy my history and hope he has some stuff at hand to get those prolactin levels down. I've done a lot of research, but to be honest, most of it goes way over my head. I'm no scientist haha

Secretly hoping this Athos test is legit after all (since I have about a third of the vial left) and I get a sudden surge in strength and size. I don't want to be massive (though I wouldn't complain), just don't want to be the scrawniest dude at the gym anymore. Curse these lanky genes

Get your diet in check. Start counting calories if you have to (My Fitness Pal is a great app for this).
You can use as much gear as you want, if your diet is not in check then the gains you will make will be minimal.
Keep in mind majority of weight you gain while cycling will be water weight as well.

PsyCLown wrote: Start counting calories if you have to (My Fitness Pal is a great app for this).

Awesome, downloading the app as we speak. Diet wise I'm just eating anything I can, as often as I can. Not being overly selective, as long as it has carbs/protein. Any weight is good weight at this point, even water weight

Limp_biscuit wrote:

PsyCLown wrote: Start counting calories if you have to (My Fitness Pal is a great app for this).

Awesome, downloading the app as we speak. Diet wise I'm just eating anything I can, as often as I can. Not being overly selective, as long as it has carbs/protein. Any weight is good weight at this point, even water weight

Yeah, count the calories you are eating and work out how many calories you need to eat to maintain your current weight then increase that by 1000 calories.