First Cycle

Hello everyone,
I'm interested in starting my first cycle within the next few weeks.
The cycle will consist of 500mg of either Test E or cyp for 10 weeks.
I am 21 years old, and have been training consistently since I was 14.

I'm 5'10, 81kg's at around 12-14% bodyfat.

The cycle will consist of:
Week 1-10: Test Cyp/Enanthate 500mg per week (Split into 2 dosages Mon/Thurs)
Week 1-4: Dianabol 30mg ED
Arimidex 0,5mg EOD throughout the cycle
PCT: Nolva, Clomid and Clenbuterol (Dosages to be decided closer to the time)
1mg finasteride ED

Now I have a few questions, it is under much debate as to whether finasteride will prevent the DHT conversion
of the Dianabol however no concise conclusion has been. Will it or will it not prevent hair loss from the dbol, especially at a low dosage of 30mg?

Secondly, I know that the cyp and Enanthate is virtually interchangeable but what would the recommendation be?

Tank69 wrote: Hello everyone,
I'm interested in starting my first cycle within the next few weeks.
The cycle will consist of 500mg of either Test E or cyp for 10 weeks.
I am 21 years old, and have been training consistently since I was 14.

I'm 5'10, 81kg's at around 12-14% bodyfat.

The cycle will consist of:
Week 1-10: Test Cyp/Enanthate 500mg per week (Split into 2 dosages Mon/Thurs)
Week 1-4: Dianabol 30mg ED
Arimidex 0,5mg EOD throughout the cycle
PCT: Nolva, Clomid and Clenbuterol (Dosages to be decided closer to the time)
1mg finasteride ED

Now I have a few questions, it is under much debate as to whether finasteride will prevent the DHT conversion
of the Dianabol however no concise conclusion has been. Will it or will it not prevent hair loss from the dbol, especially at a low dosage of 30mg?

Secondly, I know that the cyp and Enanthate is virtually interchangeable but what would the recommendation be?

Clen isn't going to help you with recovery, why do you want to run it during your PCT? You need to include some hcg either during your cycle or PCT.

I'd personally go the Test Cyp route.

If you really wanna cycle now, why not just stick to this sample beginner bulking cycle: anabolicsteroids.co.za/articles/sample-cycles/48-cycle-1

However do 30mg Dbol if you want to, split evenly throughout the day seems to be best (so every 8 hours).

Okay thanks for the feedback,

I thought i'd run the clen because i have some that i didn't ever get around to taking because of an injury, and
because it's anti-catabolic would just help maintain some of the gains after i come off.

Will stick with the Cyp then.
Will check out the cycle in the link.

Tank69 wrote: Okay thanks for the feedback,

I thought i'd run the clen because i have some that i didn't ever get around to taking because of an injury, and
because it's anti-catabolic would just help maintain some of the gains after i come off.

Will stick with the Cyp then.
Will check out the cycle in the link.

Clen being anti-catabolic was only noticed when given to livestock in dosages far larger than what would be safe for humans, even then it was not very good at being an anti-catabolic substance.

If you want to use it, perhaps consider pushing back the cycle a bit. Do a cycle of clen to get your BF down to below 12%, bring your body back upto maintenance calories and then start the cycle.

Some members on this forum will probably say that 21 is too young to start cycling though -shrugs-

I agree 100%, running the clen before would probably be the best idea especially after the extra weight gain from the holidays.

I agree, 21 is maybe a bit too young.
But I am looking at it in terms of experience rather than age.
I have been holding off making this decision since mid-way through high school and feel that this is the
most appropriate time to take this step.
Furthermore, training has redirected me from a path of heavy drug
and alcohol usage and in order to continue with the beneficial change and stay motivated I need to enter the next
level. Most people already think i am on juice because of my work ethic.

Sorry for the long story.. but just thought I would further substantiate my decision to avoid the inevitable criticism.

Also, i will inform my family doctor that if any problems do arise they can be addressed by a medical professional.

Lastly, with the hcg i have read that it should be run prior to the clomid/nolva however in the sample cycle
it is used after the clomid?
If i decide to instead use the hcg during cycle would a dosage of 500iu (split in 2 doses) for the last 6-8 weeks of the cycle be adequate?

Tank69 wrote: Furthermore, training has redirected me from a path of heavy drug and alcohol usage and in order to continue with the beneficial change and stay motivated I need to enter the next level.

To be honest this sounds more like an excuse / reason to use some gear

Tank69 wrote: Lastly, with the hcg i have read that it should be run prior to the clomid/nolva however in the sample cycle
it is used after the clomid?
If i decide to instead use the hcg during cycle would a dosage of 500iu (split in 2 doses) for the last 6-8 weeks of the cycle be adequate?

I am currently doing the sameple cycle for the most part, I have a thread up here:
www.anabolicsteroids.co.za/forum/4-cycle...psy-s-proposed-cycle

I will be starting my hcg day 29 and then running 500iu per week split in 2 doses up until the day before PCT, so 7 weeks in total. Hcg starts to deteriorate (get weaker) once you reconstitute it - apparently loading it into your syringes and freezing it helps to delay this.
Main difference with my cycle is that I am adding a bridge where the sample cycle does not have one.

Make sure you have everything before your start jabbing. Also getting bloods done before is a good idea so that you can see how well you are recovering after PCT.

Make sure you have your diet in check as well.

Thanks man, will give that thread a look.

Yeah i'm committed to doing this properly and will make sure i've acquired
all the necessary ancillaries before I start.

Blood tests are also something I'm looking into doing before and after

Diet will be in check as well- I am a firm believer in 'semi-clean bulking'
if that makes sense. :lol: Focussing obviously on high protein and carbs.
This has helped me put on good size naturally especially within the past year.
6 plus meals a day, high water intake.

Will make sure to keep this updated when I decide to start around beginning of Feb,
if not a week or so earlier- including progress pictures.

For the Arimidex don't use 0.5mg, 0.25mg E3D is fine for a preventative dosage. For your first cycle I would recommend not using an AI unless you need to. This will tell you if you are sensitive to estrogen or progestin gyno, and will give a better indication of how your body reacts to the Test. Keep the Arimidex on hand in case of gyno symptoms.

Just an update on this thread.
Have decided to run Test Prop instead.
Have 3 vials of PGW Prop.
Will run it 150mg every Mon, Wed, Fri for 6 weeks (might extend to 8 weeks)
Arimidex 0,25mg every 2 or 3 days if needed.

What would be the right dosages as far as Nolva and clomid are concerned for PCT?

Go with pct2 here's the link if u can't see tO find it www.anabolicsteroids.co.za/articles/info...9-post-cycle-therapy

Doses 100mg clomid for 7days
Nolvadex 20mg for 23 days (I usually do it for 28days just btw)

Tank69 wrote: Just an update on this thread.
Have decided to run Test Prop instead.
Have 3 vials of PGW Prop.
Will run it 150mg every Mon, Wed, Fri for 6 weeks (might extend to 8 weeks)
Arimidex 0,25mg every 2 or 3 days if needed.

What would be the right dosages as far as Nolva and clomid are concerned for PCT?

Test prop is not advised for a first cycle because of the injection pain (and post-injection pain), and the frequency of pins where a novice is not 100% on the injection process. This is quite unnecessary if you have Test-Cyp or En available.

Pyroclasm wrote:

Tank69 wrote: Just an update on this thread.
Have decided to run Test Prop instead.
Have 3 vials of PGW Prop.
Will run it 150mg every Mon, Wed, Fri for 6 weeks (might extend to 8 weeks)
Arimidex 0,25mg every 2 or 3 days if needed.

What would be the right dosages as far as Nolva and clomid are concerned for PCT?

Test prop is not advised for a first cycle because of the injection pain (and post-injection pain), and the frequency of pins where a novice is not 100% on the injection process. This is quite unnecessary if you have Test-Cyp or En available.

I know it's not recommended but not keen on having to wait too long for the test to kick in and would like to avoid using
dbol as a kickstart.
A mate of mine did the same thing with the prop and said the pain was overrated, but i must rotate injection sites each time.
A 6 week cycle also seems more appealing than 10-12 weeks.
I have the prop on hand already so might as well go ahead with it.

Will anti-inflammatory's like ibuprofen/panamor help with the pain at all ?

If you're gonna run Prop then do it properly. 8-10 Weeks for best results. For injection pain and swelling I find the best is Cataflam (diclofenak).

Sparkypta welcome to the forum. I moved your message to a new thread here: Click Me

So far 1 week in of the Test prop cycle.

Have injected Mon, Wed and Fri (1ml in both quads and right glute)
Pain is present but manageable and slightly overrated.

My question is how far in should i expect to 'feel' the prop and notice gains?

You should notice the positive effects in about a week and it will be in full swing after 2 weeks. Your dosage is too low. At least Test-prop @150mg EOD

Take weekly photos and compare progress, that's a true reflection.

Photo, same time, same area, same panty, no bra, same lighting.

So far the cycle is going well.
Doing 150mg eod.
Gained 4kg's so far.

Have been getting some pretty bad back pumps lately.
Is this common with Test only? What can I do to combat them?

are you still on the dianabol?

No, ended up not taking the dianabol.
Thought I'd rather go test only but use a shorter ester.

I got lower back pumps but that was from dbol, you can try some taurine that might work

Just under 4 weeks in my cycle.
Gained around 7kg so far.
Gone up in all my lifts and loving the strength.

Would it be alright to add dbol to the last 4 weeks of the cycle
or would that be not advised?

Give your liver 4 weeks recovery meaning extend your test with 2 weeks then you can add the dbols for the last 4 weeks. 2 weeks break is short and not advices for toxic orals.