First Cycle

Hi everyone, planning on going on my first ever cycle.

My friend that works at the gym I go to told me to try Nomad Labs Test Combo.He's a amatuer bodybuilder, who has won a couple of competitions so he knows more or less, what works well and what doesn't.Only issue I have is that he says that I dont need a PCT. I'd like the communities opinion on whether a PCT is needed for this and what would I need to take during the PCT.
I'm also planning on taking milk thistle throught the cycle and during the PCT just to help my liver out.

I also need to know if this cycle will be good for cutting or bulking. At this point in time, I'd rather prefer to cut but that's where you guys come in.

I appreciate all the advice and tips that i'll get, thanks.

MY stats:
Age-20
Weight-93kg
bf-17%
Ive also been training for 4 years now, but been training seriously for a year and a half.

Your diet and training determines the cut of bulk, not the steroid.

@ 20 years old you ask if you need a PCT !! Holy shit son, you need to do some research. PCT is a must.

Thanks for the advice Oupa, did the research on PCT and I am definitely going to go on one.I looked up what is the longest active compund in the Testo combo and found it to be the Undecyleonate. So it comes out to about 50 days that I should wait before starting with the PCT.

I also looked up on a PCT example on the website and i'm thinking that the 2nd PCT should be fine? "You will need the following: 15x Clomid 50mg, 1x HCG 5000iu, 30x Nolvadex 20mg"

As for the training and dieting, gonna go more towards a cutting phase.

Thanks again to everyone who gives me any input and advice.

Your only 20 and shouldn't be doing steroids but your not going to listen anyway.

Your HCG should be used in cycle @ 500iu per week starting around week 3 or 4

You should definitely think about your bridge period if your PCT starts in only 5 weeks

Make sure you have a AI (Adex, Letro) on hand if estrogen side effects starts showing.

When your pct starts, use

Clomid @ 50mg for 14 days and thereafter
Nolvadex @ 20mg for 30 days

Newbie104 I like your attitude man. In my experience the competition winners and the massive guys in the gym are normally clueless about steroids. Their advice causes more damage to people than all the rest put together because people like to believe in what they say. On this site you will see DAILY how we fix the mistakes these apes make, and let me tell you the more you know the more you realize what a load of KAK these guys can talk. Don't fall into the trap bud.

Pyroclasm wrote: Newbie104 I like your attitude man. In my experience the competition winners and the massive guys in the gym are normally clueless about steroids. Their advice causes more damage to people than all the rest put together because people like to believe in what they say. On this site you will see DAILY how we fix the mistakes these apes make, and let me tell you the more you know the more you realize what a load of KAK these guys can talk. Don't fall into the trap bud.

I agree with this statement completey you will be suprised what shit they actually know like a really big massive guy at my gym was telling me his pct is 5 days clomid and 2 weeks proviron then takes 2 weeks off and hops another cycle and this dude is doing deca and tren together like 2 19nors... He believes that deca puts on the muscle and tren hardens it...I just gave him
The wtf face but he's massive nd fairly lean so I guess its working for him

Oupa gave u some really good advice bro...I have a slightly different approach about the whole you to young ect... I started when I was 19 but I had a solid foundation...im 24 right now I get bloods done on a regular and take big breaks between cycles...like I come off soon and I'll stay off the whole of next year I'll be running Gh till May and come of GH too...but Ja im just taking a year off and Giving my body a nice break then I'll hit it hard in 2017

@Lex: Keep in mind you are advanced for your age and you do have the knowledge to play the game.

@Newbiew104: Why are you looking for the longest ester? Testosterone undecylenate will make for a horrible cycle, both results and how you feel. Please explain your reasoning. Also, unless you are taking oral steroids or something else that's hepatoxic, you won't benefit from the Milk Thistle. (I'm going to go forward and assume you won't drink on cycle) If you are dead-set on doing a cycle, we can advise much better options, but in all honestly, I think you should wait a couple of years.

Lex wrote:

Pyroclasm wrote: Newbie104 I like your attitude man. In my experience the competition winners and the massive guys in the gym are normally clueless about steroids. Their advice causes more damage to people than all the rest put together because people like to believe in what they say. On this site you will see DAILY how we fix the mistakes these apes make, and let me tell you the more you know the more you realize what a load of KAK these guys can talk. Don't fall into the trap bud.

I agree with this statement completey you will be suprised what shit they actually know like a really big massive guy at my gym was telling me his pct is 5 days clomid and 2 weeks proviron then takes 2 weeks off and hops another cycle and this dude is doing deca and tren together like 2 19nors... He believes that deca puts on the muscle and tren hardens it...I just gave him
The wtf face but he's massive nd fairly lean so I guess its working for him

WTF... How does that work? I guess injecting a lot of various compounds into your body for pretty much a constant period of time (2 / 3 weeks break after your last injection then jumping into your next cycle is nothing) would give you results although I would imagine in the long run would pretty much fark you up -
your hormones as well as general health?


@OP, 17% BF isn't all that lean. You are young as well - you can do a natural cutting cycle and lose weight quite easily. Rather save the AAS for when you want some assistance with bulking and do so when you are leaner.

Thanks for all the help guys.I am planning on holding off the cycle for now until I get my BF% around 12% just to reduce the risk of my cycle flopping.

I do plan on taking part in my first competition in early 2017 so was hoping that 2016 would be the year I start using AAS just to get me in tip top shape for the competition. Almost everyone I know of that competes is on juice so if I do want to win some competitions eventually,i'm definitely going to have to jump on a cycle.

I have thought about the fact that i'm probably a bit young to start using any type of AAS but if I plan my cycles well enough and go through a PCT I should be fine. \

If anyone can recommend a better cycle for me to take into consideration, go for it. The more advice I get the better.I just thought that the Testo Combo would be a better fit for someone going onto their first cycle. I'm not to keen on taking multiple types of AAS's at this point.

@Furk: I'm all ears if you can give me any other cycle suggestions. Are any sample cycles on the website any good from your prospective? The Manager at my gym swears by Nomads Testo Combo so that's why I've sort of gone more towards it

I'm looking to compete in 2017 so a cycle is a must. I want to start with my first cycle now in january and end it in march, give myself 4 months off and then one more cycle before my first competition.

Another question I have is, do I only start counting the months that I'm off after finishing with the PCT or as soon as I take my last shot?

Thanks again guys.

Ja dude will help for sure, just some things I want to clear up first. Not @ pc, will write a proper answer later.

Or if you would like to get input from a Moderator...

Pyroclasm wrote: Or if you would like to get input from a Moderator...

Ag c'mon man you know it's not like that, the experienced users should chip in for sure. I think he just mentioned me because I called him out on using TRT preferred esters for a blast cycle.


OP, go to the articles section man and get clued up, there are some well written pieces on relevant subjects. The smarted you are about this stuff, the better you can discuss it and plan for yourself.
AAS red pill: www.anabolicsteroids.co.za/articles/information
Samples: www.anabolicsteroids.co.za/articles/sample-cycles
PCT :http://www.anabolicsteroids.co.za/articles/information/9-post-cycle-therapy

If you are on good terms with the manager and he is open to you, ask him what competitive bodybuilding involves. If not, a nice eye opener is: this interview


In the meantime, all the guys with names that appear in dark red, thees guys know what they are talking about. When they give advice, give it chance.

Will catch up tomorrow afternoon/night. Go do some reading for now brah.

Furk wrote:

Pyroclasm wrote: Or if you would like to get input from a Moderator...

Ag c'mon man you know it's not like that, the experienced users should chip in for sure. I think he just mentioned me because I called him out on using TRT preferred esters for a blast cycle.


OP, go to the articles section man and get clued up, there are some well written pieces on relevant subjects. The smarted you are about this stuff, the better you can discuss it and plan for yourself.
AAS red pill: www.anabolicsteroids.co.za/articles/information
Samples: www.anabolicsteroids.co.za/articles/sample-cycles
PCT :http://www.anabolicsteroids.co.za/articles/information/9-post-cycle-therapy

If you are on good terms with the manager and he is open to you, ask him what competitive bodybuilding involves. If not, a nice eye opener is: this interview


In the meantime, all the guys with names that appear in dark red, thees guys know what they are talking about. When they give advice, give it chance.

Will catch up tomorrow afternoon/night. Go do some reading for now brah.

Not taking shots or anything but that feels like the rest of our input or advice on here is off " lower grade " [lack of better wording] on this forum. Once again not trying to nit pick or anything but i do feel some of us are looked down upon for advice given. I respect the advice the Mods give as and there knowledge is superior then most of ours but give the rest a chance to. How else are we to learn more.

I'll shut up now.

Gents, don't take my comment up in a bad way it was only said with good intentions. I think that was not the best wording tbh. Fakey & Furk you two add a lot of value to this forum with your elite advice and insight, and we see how much effort you put into answering questions. In no way is your advise 'lower grade'. Your advise is A-Grade, lean, first class Fillet steak. (Not you Fillet)

Pyroclasm wrote: Gents, don't take my comment up in a bad way it was only said with good intentions. I think that was not the best wording tbh. Fakey & Furk you two add a lot of value to this forum with your elite advice and insight, and we see how much effort you put into answering questions. In no way is your advise 'lower grade'. Your advise is A-Grade, lean, first class Fillet steak. (Not you Fillet)

Much respect for that Brotha

Fakey_AK wrote: Once again not trying to nit pick or anything but i do feel some of us are looked down upon for advice given. I respect the advice the Mods give as and there knowledge is superior then most of ours but give the rest a chance to. How else are we to learn more.

Valid point, acknowledged.

Pyroclasm wrote: Gents, don't take my comment up in a bad way it was only said with good intentions. I think that was not the best wording tbh. Fakey & Furk you two add a lot of value to this forum with your elite advice and insight, and we see how much effort you put into answering questions. In no way is your advise 'lower grade'. Your advise is A-Grade, lean, first class Fillet steak. (Not you Fillet)

Oh jeez, the sh!t storm I left behind when I typed this out. I'll stop posting late night hours as sometimes I don't convey what is intended, I do it with WhatsApp also, much worse. Plus I don't even drink...
It's starting to sound like a we're taking turns brown-nosing but I have to clear the air. Sincere apologies Fakey. If you don't know I hold you in high regards please know it now.

I honesty just wanted to point out that there are others that can give solid advise as well, and I emphasized the Moderators because Pyrogasm mentioned it above my original post. Guys if I could edit my original post I totally would.

Newbie104, at the bottom of the page when browsing the forums is a colour key for membership status, but this in no way means any given user's membership status disqualifies him/her from being knowledgeable.

Peace guys.

So I spoke to the guy that opened up the gym I'm at in 1982 and he says that I'd be better off if I wait until im about 26 before I even think about taking anything. I have a shit load of respect for him so i'm taking his advice and waiting till the time is right.

Thanks to everyone who gave me advice

You can never go wrong by waiting longer!

Good for you, I don't think this is harsh advice, I like it that the gym owner is conservative in this sense.

In the meantime, you have a world of knowledge how to maximize your diet and training.

Ciao!