Cutting cycle

Hi guys need some assistance on a cutting program and cycle for cutting. Diet is 90/10 ratio clean high protein low carb diet for just six weeks. Have been dieting much longer just zooming on this cycle for now.

Using masreron 100 and testosterone prop 100 and winstrol 10 mg tabs

Masteron 2x week 1ml and testosterone prop also 2x 1ml a week and winstrol 3 tabs of 10mg per day

My question the winstrol gives me headache and makes and blood pressure very high

Can i use the masteron and testosterone prop alone? And later ad the winny or maybe get anavar whichs is a milder compound ? Want to achieve very lean gains and get nicely shredded

Thanks

U pinning masteron prop and test prop 2X a week ? :huh:

U shouldn't be using masteron and winny together they 2 dht drugs unless u competing I don't think its a good idea as well. That could be reasons for ur headache

Oh btw masteron and prop should be pinned eod or atleast 3X a week

Hi

Yes 2 x a week i know the half life is very short was just a bit cautious about dosage
I really see good results but sides from winny is hectic on me

So you would say masteron and testosterone prop 3 x a week will also give a hard and cut ?
Dont do competions just want to be lean with decent muscle

What would you suggest in winny place ? Just not Tren

Thanks for the advice appreciate it

I have read a few forums were they have used the 3 in a cycle and work

Just want to use it with the least side effects possible and winny does raise my blood pressure alot

Lex wrote: U pinning masteron prop and test prop 2X a week ? :huh:

U shouldn't be using masteron and winny together they 2 dht drugs unless u competing I don't think its a good idea as well. That could be reasons for ur headache

Oh btw masteron and prop should be pinned eod or atleast 3X a week

Thanks for advise

What should i use in winstrols place then or is masteron and testosterone prop 3 x a week fine for what i want to achieve ?

Are really getting good results so far just the winny ups my blood pressure a lot and headache.

You could just do the masteron and test prop and add in something like anavar or tbol if u like... Or just do masteron and prop then switch to winstrol and prop

Lex wrote: You could just do the masteron and test prop and add in something like anavar or tbol if u like... Or just do masteron and prop then switch to winstrol and prop

How long should i do masteron and testosterone?And then switch to winny and test prop for what period?
Wont the test prop and winny have to much aromatization ? Why i used Masteron also with?

Once again thanks for advise

Winstrol doesnt aromatize no gyno issues with it.

You said u already using masteron and prop if I was in ur shoes I would do this

Week 1-9 test prop 1ml 3X a week (since u doing 1ml only twice a week)
Week 1-6 masteron prop 2mls 3X a week (that's just my dose) u can do 1.5ml 3X a week or even 1ml 3x
Week 7-11 winstrol 40mg
Week 7-11 proviron 40mg

That's just my version like that's how I would do it if I was in ur shoes mate but again its up to u

And no winny does not convert into estrogen

lobo wrote: Winstrol doesnt aromatize no gyno issues with it.

Thank just the test prop but winny will help with the aromatisation

Thanks

Lex wrote: You said u already using masteron and prop if I was in ur shoes I would do this

Week 1-9 test prop 1ml 3X a week (since u doing 1ml only twice a week)
Week 1-6 masteron prop 2mls 3X a week (that's just my dose) u can do 1.5ml 3X a week or even 1ml 3x
Week 7-11 winstrol 40mg
Week 7-11 proviron 40mg

That's just my version like that's how I would do it if I was in ur shoes mate but again its up to u

And no winny does not convert into estrogen

Awesome thanks will do that headache hectic and blood pressure

There is no helping each other aromatize Masteron and winstrol both dont aromatize. Test prop might if you prone to getting gyno but you wont know unless you dont use an Ai and just have it on hand. The Ais are strong drugs if you can get away without them all the better. I have never used an Ai on cycle but then again I havent used the harsher steroids like tren, deca and so on.

Masteron has an anti estrogenic effect which is the opposite of helping aromatize I normally put it in 7 weeks at the end of my cycle clears up any slight sensitivity I might have.

lobo wrote: There is no helping each other aromatize Masteron and winstrol both dont aromatize. Test prop might if you prone to getting gyno but you wont know unless you dont use an Ai and just have it on hand. The Ais are strong drugs if you can get away without them all the better. I have never used an Ai on cycle but then again I havent used the harsher steroids like tren, deca and so on.

Masteron has an anti estrogenic effect which is the opposite of helping aromatize I normally put it in 7 weeks at the end of my cycle clears up any slight sensitivity I might have.

Thanks so will leave winstrol oral for now and do what Lex said. And thanks for your input you helped me so much

Thanks Lex

Personally I'd add a 19-nor into this stack, NPP for instance. Good for maintaining strength and fullness while you diet. Water bloat shouldnt be an issue on NPP, and even more so with masteron and winstrol in the mix.

Even better of course would be to add in trenbolone and reap the nutrient partitioning benefits along with the anti catabolism. You may suffer flatness but this is nothing a regular weekly refeed day cannot cure.

LegitKigtropin wrote: Personally I'd add a 19-nor into this stack, NPP for instance. Good for maintaining strength and fullness while you diet. Water bloat shouldnt be an issue on NPP, and even more so with masteron and winstrol in the mix.

Haha with that name and that advice (nothing wrong with it), you're a GH15 fan. Just remember that legit kigs were never anything special lol

LegitKigtropin wrote: Even better of course would be to add in trenbolone and reap the nutrient partitioning benefits...

Explain this please.

Furk wrote: Explain this please.

He is a GH15 fan, the answer to everything is high doses of Tren

Hormonas wrote:

Furk wrote: Explain this please.

He is a GH15 fan, the answer to everything is high doses of Tren

I meant the nutrient partitioning benefits.

Hormonas wrote:

LegitKigtropin wrote: Personally I'd add a 19-nor into this stack, NPP for instance. Good for maintaining strength and fullness while you diet. Water bloat shouldnt be an issue on NPP, and even more so with masteron and winstrol in the mix.

Haha with that name and that advice (nothing wrong with it), you're a GH15 fan. Just remember that legit kigs were never anything special lol

Haha it was either that or some variation on 'Trenbolone' for a username. GH15 bible is of course a big source info but I wouldn't prescribe tren as an answer to anything. Some guys don't handle the drug so well and longevity is important. OP is just trying to cut and look like a lean in shape guy, can't see a reason to exclude tren if he tolerates it well. As I said NPP would do just fine as well, tren isnt the be all end all of steroids. I just like to get a good balance of DHT/19-nor compounds into all stacks while playing with testosterone doses.


On the nutrient partitioning specifically, all strong androgens will have the effect of increasing nutrient partitioning to muscle cells through activation of the androgen receptor. Tren is simply one of the strongest injectables (the strongest, if you don't consider methylated injectables to be true injectable steroids per se) available in terms of its binding to the androgen receptor, this is good because when in calorie deficit having as much nutrient flow to muscles as possible is going to prevent breakdown. HYPOTHETICALLY this also implies it will directly cause lipolysis through binding to androgen receptors on fat cells although there is not much literature on this even and in real life experience I have found that most people who think they are losing fat on tren while eating at calorie maintenance or above are usually just experiencing favorable water distributions and increases in vascularity giving the appearance of getting leaner.

LegitKigtropin wrote:

Hormonas wrote:

LegitKigtropin wrote: Personally I'd add a 19-nor into this stack, NPP for instance. Good for maintaining strength and fullness while you diet. Water bloat shouldnt be an issue on NPP, and even more so with masteron and winstrol in the mix.

Haha with that name and that advice (nothing wrong with it), you're a GH15 fan. Just remember that legit kigs were never anything special lol

Haha it was either that or some variation on 'Trenbolone' for a username. GH15 bible is of course a big source info but I wouldn't prescribe tren as an answer to anything. Some guys don't handle the drug so well and longevity is important. OP is just trying to cut and look like a lean in shape guy, can't see a reason to exclude tren if he tolerates it well. As I said NPP would do just fine as well, tren isnt the be all end all of steroids. I just like to get a good balance of DHT/19-nor compounds into all stacks while playing with testosterone doses.


On the nutrient partitioning specifically, all strong androgens will have the effect of increasing nutrient partitioning to muscle cells through activation of the androgen receptor. Tren is simply one of the strongest injectables (the strongest, if you don't consider methylated injectables to be true injectable steroids per se) available in terms of its binding to the androgen receptor, this is good because when in calorie deficit having as much nutrient flow to muscles as possible is going to prevent breakdown. HYPOTHETICALLY this also implies it will directly cause lipolysis through binding to androgen receptors on fat cells although there is not much literature on this even and in real life experience I have found that most people who think they are losing fat on tren while eating at calorie maintenance or above are usually just experiencing favorable water distributions and increases in vascularity giving the appearance of getting leaner.

Thanks seems you know what you talking about LegitKigtropin please assist in the cycle what Lex suggested this is what he suggested:


Week 1-9 test prop 1ml 3X a week (since u doing 1ml only twice a week)
Week 1-6 masteron prop 2mls 3X a week (that's just my dose) u can do 1.5ml 3X a week or even 1ml 3x
Week 7-11 winstrol 40mg
Week 7-11 proviron 40mg

Travelller101 wrote:

LegitKigtropin wrote:

Hormonas wrote:

LegitKigtropin wrote: Personally I'd add a 19-nor into this stack, NPP for instance. Good for maintaining strength and fullness while you diet. Water bloat shouldnt be an issue on NPP, and even more so with masteron and winstrol in the mix.

Haha with that name and that advice (nothing wrong with it), you're a GH15 fan. Just remember that legit kigs were never anything special lol

Haha it was either that or some variation on 'Trenbolone' for a username. GH15 bible is of course a big source info but I wouldn't prescribe tren as an answer to anything. Some guys don't handle the drug so well and longevity is important. OP is just trying to cut and look like a lean in shape guy, can't see a reason to exclude tren if he tolerates it well. As I said NPP would do just fine as well, tren isnt the be all end all of steroids. I just like to get a good balance of DHT/19-nor compounds into all stacks while playing with testosterone doses.


On the nutrient partitioning specifically, all strong androgens will have the effect of increasing nutrient partitioning to muscle cells through activation of the androgen receptor. Tren is simply one of the strongest injectables (the strongest, if you don't consider methylated injectables to be true injectable steroids per se) available in terms of its binding to the androgen receptor, this is good because when in calorie deficit having as much nutrient flow to muscles as possible is going to prevent breakdown. HYPOTHETICALLY this also implies it will directly cause lipolysis through binding to androgen receptors on fat cells although there is not much literature on this even and in real life experience I have found that most people who think they are losing fat on tren while eating at calorie maintenance or above are usually just experiencing favorable water distributions and increases in vascularity giving the appearance of getting leaner.

Thanks seems you know what you talking about LegitKigtropin please assist in the cycle what Lex suggested this is what he suggested:


Week 1-9 test prop 1ml 3X a week (since u doing 1ml only twice a week)
Week 1-6 masteron prop 2mls 3X a week (that's just my dose) u can do 1.5ml 3X a week or even 1ml 3x
Week 7-11 winstrol 40mg
Week 7-11 proviron 40mg

What would you ad or change as i really like Lex suggestion and have winstrol oral and masteron and testosterone prop ?

Dude if u wanna tren then u can seriously it's your body bro... Have u used tren before ? How many cycles have u done... U really can't pin tren A 2X a week it needs to be shot EOD but u might get away with 3X a week jabbing if u time ur pins right like monday am Wednesday midday Friday latest u can pin on a Friday noght basically...those few hours actually help because ace is such a short ester..

If u wanna do tren just add 1ml tren 3X a week to ur jabs simple do it for around 6weeks then come off I don't see any point in running tren A longer then 7weeks if im honest but I guess that's my body

Lex wrote: Dude if u wanna tren then u can seriously it's your body bro... Have u used tren before ? How many cycles have u done... U really can't pin tren A 2X a week it needs to be shot EOD but u might get away with 3X a week jabbing if u time ur pins right like monday am Wednesday midday Friday latest u can pin on a Friday noght basically...those few hours actually help because ace is such a short ester..

If u wanna do tren just add 1ml tren 3X a week to ur jabs simple do it for around 6weeks then come off I don't see any point in running tren A longer then 7weeks if im honest but I guess that's my body

Hi

No wont want to use Tren and have never before will rather do what you suggested doing it any
Way already like your idea for the cycle and i feel already better since dropping the winny for now thanks

Thank you so much

The cycle lex outlined is perfectly fine for cutting and will give a a good dry hard look, especially if you learn to cycle testosterone in and out when you want to really dry up and look harder/leaner. Personally I like to have something to keep fullness during the early stages of dieting, Anadrol/some deca variant. I also find that keeping fullness usually blunts my appetite and maintains strength, and if you are maintaining strength usually you are you maintaining the muscle required for that strength as well.

Really you can cut on any steroid, hell I've done it on test + dbol. Specific looks come from applying exotic compounds and learning to manipulate water.

LegitKigtropin wrote: The cycle lex outlined is perfectly fine for cutting and will give a a good dry hard look, especially if you learn to cycle testosterone in and out when you want to really dry up and look harder/leaner. Personally I like to have something to keep fullness during the early stages of dieting, Anadrol/some deca variant. I also find that keeping fullness usually blunts my appetite and maintains strength, and if you are maintaining strength usually you are you maintaining the muscle required for that strength as well.

Really you can cut on any steroid, hell I've done it on test + dbol. Specific looks come from applying exotic compounds and learning to manipulate water.

Thanks really appreciate all the help

Yes also looking for min water retension and normally with that comes high blood pressure so want minimize as much as possible