Hormonas Cycle and Log

Hey guys and girls,

SO.... where to begin? Sorry for being quiet on here recently.

I have been thinking about my cycle for some time now and it has come to that time when I start to get everything finalized enhancement-wise. Let me first get my current stats out of the way:

25yrs old
6'1
83kgs
7-8% bodyfat

As you can see, my stats have changed a tiny bit since first arriving here, the winter fat is creeping up on me.

I have tried a lot of different things when it comes to gear. I have done the short cycles, the long cycles, the high doses, the low doses, the oral-only cycles, the cycles without testosterone as a base and I have tried almost all of the ‘standard’ compounds that you can think of. I don't want you guys to think I am reckless and/or going against “the flow” but its something that fascinates me and I love that side of training. It may not look like it - but I have done a fair amount of experimentation (will be posting pictures soon). With that experimentation I have also experienced the nasty side of enhancement with side effects including acne, gyno and lactation, all the way to going hypoglycemic from Insulin and nearly dying (shit...lol). Fun times. We learn from our mistakes and we share our experiences and I am more than willing to let anyone know what went wrong (or what went right) if you ask me in an attempt to make sure you do not make the same mistakes. Obviously, my advice can only go so far and there are other, more experienced members who will have their advice to share too. Being a part of this forum, I will be as honest and open as possible - I will not, however, be providing information on what went “right” with my insulin usage as MM (shoutout lol) along with other members feel that it is best to keep the “dark arts” in the... dark.

My bulking cycle, which I will be starting on the 21st of August at 9:37am will consist of the following (still deciding on a few things, I guess that is why I am posting this up on here):

Oils:
Weeks 1-20: 375mg Test Cyp
Weeks 1-20: 400-500mg Deca
I may add 600-700mg Equipoise to the cycle but I will decide this at a later stage

Orals/Insulin:
Weeks 1-4: Insulin
Weeks 4-8: Dianabol 40mg ED
Weeks 8-12: Insulin
Weeks 12-15: Superdrol 20-30mg ED (my body wont tolerate more than that but that’s more than enough - best cosmetic oral ever IMO)
Weeks 15-20: Insulin
Weeks 19-22: Winstrol 50mg ED

Other goodies:
Weeks 1-20: Arimidex 1mg EOD or Aromasin 12.5mg EOD
I will have Dostinex on hand throughout the cycle although I should not need it as I have experimented with Deca before, at higher dosages. I also have Letro lying around so can use that if necessary for estrogen issues.
HCG will be run thoughout the cycle at 1000iu per week until before PCT
Fake tan will be used throughout the cycle, its vital for the growth of my ego.

PCT:
Nolvadex 20/20/20/20 & Clomid 100/50/50/50

So... there it is.
The goal of the cycle is to constantly be putting weight on the scale. The cycle will start off “wet” and get “dryer” as the cycle goes on while still maintaining fullness, as it heads toward the new year because I’ll be on holiday (thinking about going up to Plett).

YAAAAAAAASSSSS I am keen. Looking forward to sharing my journey with you guys when the time comes. In the mean time, any thoughts, criticism and questions are welcome. I’m not going to be a stubborn knob and reject the advice you all have to share because ultimately, we are all here to benefit eachother.

Cheers,
Hormonas

Hey bro, been waiting for you to share your upcoming cycle idea. Even though you are fairly new on the forum I can tell your an experienced user. Your humility is greatly appreciated and that makes others eager to help out.

Interesting cycle for a user as yourself. I usually refrain from commenting on proposed cycles cause I know some of the other guys will give better opinions. Are you actively competing?

Whooohooo I got a shout out!

Very interesting cycle you laid out. I'm keen to see what Oupa and Ma have to say about it...

The only thing I see as inferior is the PCT protocol. Doctaris PCT for the win! Unless you want to play with Trip like Fillet haha. Definately subscribed and looking forward to some updates!

Very cool. Enjoy it bro.
When you starting?
Nate

I would rather blast and cruise than use insulin... IMO.

Personally I don't have an issue playing with juice and certain peptides, I have a huge issue with slin. Can die young from that shit, with your stats you can still get huge on juice, take time and think about slin.

If your competing and live for bodybuilding then go for it... If not, stupid move.

Only questions from my side bro I'm afraid. will leave the rest to the seasoned users. If I can kick them off with this what would you gain from the slin that you couldn't from anabolics?

I'm looking forward to following the journey and learning in the process thanks hormonas more questions coming.

lobo wrote: Only questions from my side bro I'm afraid. will leave the rest to the seasoned users. If I can kick them off with this what would you gain from the slin that you couldn't from anabolics?

I'm looking forward to following the journey and learning in the process thanks hormonas more questions coming.

Brain Damage and sudden Death. Or a coma.

That's why we don't really discuss it. It's very advanced and would rather not put ideas into kids heads. When you can no longer grow on AAS you turn to slin for an edge. Not worth while unless you make your living off the sport.

But let's not go off on the pro's and cons of it. Let's rather stick to the true nature of this thread - hormonas getting HUGE

Knew the Slin topic would spark up a conversation! I'll try to respond to everyone now!

@Oupa, I will be competing in the future when I am happy with the way that I look. I am not going to go onto a stage, whether for physique or classic bodybuilding (with my height and shape, those are the best options), if I am not happy with the way I look in the mirror. When I say "future" - I mean in the next year or two. And although I don't live for bodybuilding, I love doing it. As mentioned, I'll refrain from going too deep into the topic but I am safe with my usage of it and I am very conservative with dosages. It was the third thing that I wrote down when planning this cycle so I would say I have it pretty much stuck in my head that I will be using it again BUT your words have planted a seed in my head and your advice will be taken into consideration

@Fillet, I have weighed that exact option up in my head many many times. The main reason why I am not blasting and cruising as of yet is because I am exhausting my other options first before making a decision which may very well end up being a life long commitment ontop of the commitment to "basic fitness". If that makes sense? :pinch:

@Furk, I appreciate the kind words man, I am glad to be here and glad to contribute in some way. Have a look at my response to Oupa with regard to competing, not too long now!

@MM, Doctaris PCT it is, no doubt that mine was weak. I need to sort my act out with regards to PCT, it's not my strongest point of knowledge. Back to the books for me lol

@Nate, I start on the 21st August. This is very much in advance but I like to be organized and hear everyone's opinion before starting a cycle.

Hope you all have a good week!

lobo wrote: Only questions from my side bro I'm afraid. will leave the rest to the seasoned users. If I can kick them off with this what would you gain from the slin that you couldn't from anabolics?

I'm looking forward to following the journey and learning in the process thanks hormonas more questions coming.

I love a good question so it is all good! As MM has said, it's something best left unspoken about. I'm just very hesitant to start saying something that I may later regret so i do apologize for not being able to answer your question properly.

Have you considered running igf with your insulin? Heard alot of guys use igf and slin pre work out with great results and minimal body fat gain.

SteveC wrote: Have you considered running igf with your insulin? Heard alot of guys use igf and slin pre work out with great results and minimal body fat gain.

I have indeed, something I'm going to be stepping into within the next year or two hopefully. Legit IGF can be hard to come by but once you get the right stuff - the theory is that IGF creates new muscle cells and insulin fills those new cells with the water and nutrients. The synergy sounds amazing and it's something I'm interested in trying soon!

Damn bro, forget the compounds - if that's you in your avatar, your body is the least of your worries!!!

That face will loose the show for you :woohoo:

Oupiel wrote: Damn bro, forget the compounds - if that's you in your avatar, your body is the least of your worries!!!

That face will loose the show for you :woohoo:

Hahahahahaha made my morning! If that was my body I would walk around with that Rowan Atkinson perv face on whilst eyeing out the ladies all day lol

Oupiel thats the great francis benefatto in his avatar.

Really looking forward to seeing your results with the igf and insulin combo. good luck bro. Just a suggestion. But if you are running test so low why not opt for a shorter ester like prop? Or even adding in 300mg of prop to your cycle so you have long and short esters? And have you used tbol before? Why not add that instead of dbol or do you just want to go for all out savage size?

SteveC wrote: Oupiel thats the great francis benefatto in his avatar.

I know

More bodies like his & Bob Paris are needed in the sport.
Less big bellied bloat boys!!!

Something to be said for no slin, IGF, GH, etc. ???

SteveC wrote: But if you are running test so low why not opt for a shorter ester like prop? Or even adding in 300mg of prop to your cycle so you have long and short esters? And have you used tbol before? Why not add that instead of dbol or do you just want to go for all out savage size?

I like to keep my test low and let the other drugs do their job, higher testosterone just brings out a cocktail of side effects for me. Prop and Tbol are both possible options but I do enjoy a bit of bloating at the beginning of the cycle. Although it's all water, I enjoy looking fuller and bigger because the smallest weight change can have a huge impact on my physique. Savage size is my answer lol

Thank you all for your comments so far, I appreciate the time you've taken to read through my stuff!

Oupiel wrote: Something to be said for no slin, IGF, GH, etc. ???

Most definitely.

Although some of the things would have been used at that time, the extreme abuse of these drugs along with the extreme amount of food that they are able to consume as a result of taking some of these drugs has caused what some call undesirable physiques. Arnold said it himself... judges need to stop rewarding sheer size.

I wish you realized how ineffective insulin is.. having two diabetic brothers.. I have used insulin to a large degree when I was younger, it is not worth it.. I was checking my blood sugar 8 times a day, do you even have a testing kit? Do you know where you values should be? Do you know how many units to take per X amount of carbs, what type of carbs and certain food that makes you baffled due to its long acting rate, do you understand how the liver plays a part at certain parts of the day with secretion, so timing of usage is critical. Do you know what level you can drop to before you become brain dead to the point that you don't even know your where abouts or register to eat food (that can happen by dropping from around 5.X to 2.X, which could be as little as 2 units, do you understand the effects when taking chromium while using insulin .. I can go on for hours... I make doctors heads spin when I'm discussing insulin with them. I really hope you know what you doing.

00pump wrote: I wish you realized how ineffective insulin is.. having two diabetic brothers.. I have used insulin to a large degree when I was younger, it is not worth it.. I was checking my blood sugar 8 times a day, do you even have a testing kit? Do you know where you values should be? Do you know how many units to take per X amount of carbs, what type of carbs and certain food that makes you baffled due to its long acting rate, do you understand how the liver plays a part at certain parts of the day with secretion, so timing of usage is critical. Do you know what level you can drop to before you become brain dead to the point that you don't even know your where abouts or register to eat food (that can happen by dropping from around 5.X to 2.X, which could be as little as 2 units, do you understand the effects when taking chromium while using insulin .. I can go on for hours... I make doctors heads spin when I'm discussing insulin with them. I really hope you know what you doing.

And this is exactly why I am on forums - to learn from people such as yourself who are most certainly knowledgable on the topic. I do not know everything. I do have a degree (BSc in Sports Science) where I took Physiology. One of the main things that we learnt about and were examined on for 3 years was Insulin and the effect it had on the body so without sounding like an ass, I do believe I know enough about it to use safely IF I felt I wanted to in this cycle. That said, I may very well not use it as I mentioned in a post earlier directed at Oupa.

Of the questions that you asked, I know the answer to most, if not all of them. It looks a bit like one of my past exam papers but you speak better English than my Prof I do not take this compound lightly but I do believe it made a difference to my physique in a positive way.

Hormonas wrote:

00pump wrote: I wish you realized how ineffective insulin is.. having two diabetic brothers.. I have used insulin to a large degree when I was younger, it is not worth it.. I was checking my blood sugar 8 times a day, do you even have a testing kit? Do you know where you values should be? Do you know how many units to take per X amount of carbs, what type of carbs and certain food that makes you baffled due to its long acting rate, do you understand how the liver plays a part at certain parts of the day with secretion, so timing of usage is critical. Do you know what level you can drop to before you become brain dead to the point that you don't even know your where abouts or register to eat food (that can happen by dropping from around 5.X to 2.X, which could be as little as 2 units, do you understand the effects when taking chromium while using insulin .. I can go on for hours... I make doctors heads spin when I'm discussing insulin with them. I really hope you know what you doing.

And this is exactly why I am on forums - to learn from people such as yourself who are most certainly knowledgable on the topic. I do not know everything. I do have a degree (BSc in Sports Science) where I took Physiology. One of the main things that we learnt about and were examined on for 3 years was Insulin and the effect it had on the body so without sounding like an ass, I do believe I know enough about it to use safely IF I felt I wanted to in this cycle. That said, I may very well not use it as I mentioned in a post earlier directed at Oupa.

Of the questions that you asked, I know the answer to most, if not all of them. It looks a bit like one of my past exam papers but you speak better English than my Prof I do not take this compound lightly but I do believe it made a difference to my physique in a positive way.

Well then you have my mind at ease, just use it carefully.. make sure someone knows you using it, and get yourself a glucose pen incase you have dropped to low and tell a friend to immediately administer it. If you still in a state of mind where you able to think rubbing syrup in your gums works pretty quick otherwise I find energage is the first defence I use to quickly increase my sugar levels, this only works when you sitting around 3, not when you can't see the numbers on your cell phone

+1 pump, you know your stuff. Good luck H, I will never use it but will follow your cycle. Perhaps some before and after pics for convincing?

I don't want to come across as a hater because I do think Slin has a place in the sport but when your pushing the boundaries of your physique.
I think the benefits of adding Slin to a 20week cycle will be negligible, you may look bigger on cycle with all the added glycogen being stored but with all that gear at your size you should grow like a weed anyway and it won't make any difference to how much of your gains you keep once you come off cycle.
You can only build so much real muscle in a certain time frame.

What kind of cycles will you need to grow once you get to the 100kg mark if you use up all the options so early on?

Anyway whatever your dessision good luck and keep us posted.

FIllet wrote: +1 pump, you know your stuff. Good luck H, I will never use it but will follow your cycle. Perhaps some before and after pics for convincing?

What? Pump responds aggressively and accusative, Hormonas responds humble and mature and you give Pump karma? I understand pump's reason for his tone and warning, slin is dangerous and warnings headed. +1 Hormonas. I for one would not like to see fellow members putting them self in the path of danger, but if you do go down that road, better be wearing a I.C.E ID tag, have emergency contacts on speed dial, tell people you trust what you are doing and the need for immediate assistance if situations arise.

At your age and stats, I won't like to imagine you walk that road bro. Weigh up the pro's and con's and decide for yourself. Sorry if the insulin discussion is getting old, but it is obviously a factor in your proposed cycle that is a hot topic now.