Tren And test

Hi all.

Let me start of with I have a friend(work) that have gone on a test cyp and tren cup cycle.I have never seen a transformation like this in my life.

This guy was chubby and in one month I couldn't believe the transformation. Now I must also state that he was training with a well known bodybuilder.
His friend did help him with his diet.

Now don't get me wrong. This was not the average transformation. I've known people in the gym using tren and other gear and the transformation is miles apart.

He also uses a lot of protein shakes.
My question is Tren really that good and why is the other guys not in the same transformation bracket that used tren?

His diet is not big difference of the diets in the stickkies.

His age is also in the older side.His no spring chicken

I was always scared of tren but WOW it changed my mind.

Why is there not a simple tren and test sample cycle or is it more complicated than that?

Some might say Tren is a monster!!!
It works really well, but has some nasty sides.
Its "hard" on your body too.
and if you're a hot head, Tren will bring out the roid rage!!

Ordinarily, I believe roid rage is total BS,
just grow up and manage yourself, refer to life rule 1 - don't be a dick!

Tren apparently does mess with your head (I can't say for sure, as I have never used it)
Tren will also shut down your HPTA hard!!

Some would say, only competitive bodybuilders should use it.
Most would say, not for beginners.

Bodybuilders lie. Nature of their lives are at stake.

This guy did a good job by the sound of things but he has 2 other variables accelerating his transformation.

1. Knowledgeable bodybuilder to guide and q/a his cycle & train WITH
2. Diet assistance which has more impact on your look than gear does IMO

Also genetic response. some guys pop a dbol and literally their hormonal panel goes to shit. some guys chow a handful daily and they are "fine". right?

Tren is powerful but has to be respected that way. Blood work can reveal a lot.

Also what are his doses? again could be lying its not uncommon for tren to be run 100-150mg / day & with its affinity to estrogen (hence test in his blast) can cause dramatic results. Also is he using other things like clen? yoh? mast p or other dht drugs like winny or even proviron? peptides? gh? insulin?

So answer your question:
"Why is there not a simple tren and test sample cycle or is it more complicated than that?"

Because it is a lot more complicated than that.

There are loads of simple Test and Tren cycles out there. Simple and yet very, very effective and I don't think it is "more complicated than that". This board doesn't have a sample cycle of just Test and Tren because those sample cycles are for you to see and, for the most part, change, depending on what you want to use.

As mentioned above, we don't think Tren is for beginners. If someone has used gear for a good amount of time and asks about a Tren cycle then we will help.

Back onto a direct response - he may have very good genes to be able to hold onto muscle whilst dieting. The high protein along with the Tren will help him to maintain most of his muscle while he diets and loses fat. He knows how to train and has a good diet since he has been helped by someone who knows what they are doing. And he may be using dosages that are quite high and his body may respond well to that amount of gear, allowing him to keep the muscle. There is no single, cut and dry answer.

Tren gets a lot of attention... Start at a low dose on Ace and if it's not for you, then stop.

It's not a miracle drug and that transformation took a lot of work.