dbol; halotest; test e.

I would just like to find out general opinions on a cycle as follows: kickstart of 20mg dbol pd, 10mg halotestin pd & 10-15 weeks of test enanthate. A lean diet would be maintained. Should be good for lean gains & decent strength?

Zly65 wrote: I would just like to find out general opinions on a cycle as follows: kickstart of 20mg dbol pd, 10mg halotestin pd & 10-15 weeks of test enanthate. A lean diet would be maintained. Should be good for lean gains & decent strength?

I would change a few things. 20mg Dbol and 10mg halo are a bit on the low side so up those a little bit. Testosterone you can dose how you like depending on your experience level.

Proposed Cycle:
30-40mg Dbol 4 weeks
20mg Halo 4 weeks
500-750mg Test E 15 weeks (depending on experience with Test)

Hmm ok sounds good. I cant dose test too high or else I get ridiculous night sweats. Will most lilely use 600mg per week. My only concern about those doses of orals would be about the internal organs, I have what is supposed to be the best liver support at the moment so would you say I should use more than the usual dosage of that if I push the orals up higher?

Zly65 wrote: Hmm ok sounds good. I cant dose test too high or else I get ridiculous night sweats. Will most lilely use 600mg per week. My only concern about those doses of orals would be about the internal organs, I have what is supposed to be the best liver support at the moment so would you say I should use more than the usual dosage of that if I push the orals up higher?

All of my posts are my opinion so don't take my word for it. But in my opinion - liver damage from orals is VASTLY exaggerated. Keep running the liver protection at a normal dosage (any higher and it may even be detrimental to you liver as it also has to pass through there). I only started feeling "toxic" from too many orals on a much, much higher dose and running more than one oral compound. I lowered my doses a bit and felt better and then when I came off of the orals i had my lipids checked and everything was in order.

Checking Lipids is one thing..
Checking liver enzymes is another.

check both

Zly65 wrote: Hmm ok sounds good. I cant dose test too high or else I get ridiculous night sweats. Will most lilely use 600mg per week. My only concern about those doses of orals would be about the internal organs, I have what is supposed to be the best liver support at the moment so would you say I should use more than the usual dosage of that if I push the orals up higher?

What liver protection is this?

Sounds like you got a sales talk.

Hormonas wrote: liver damage from orals is VASTLY exaggerated.

If we all had the exact same blueprint DNA you could say that, but not in this lifetime.

Oupa wrote:

Hormonas wrote: liver damage from orals is VASTLY exaggerated.

If we all had the exact same blueprint DNA you could say that, but not in this lifetime.

Haha I wish. As I say, in my opinion (or my personal experience) it is exaggerated but this may not be the case for those susceptible to it. But less than 50mg a day of dbol really shouldnt be an issue

Ok I will give the proposed dosages a try while continuing the liver support. Appreciate the insights.

I've got Essentials Extreme.

I'm also doing 50mg of DBols a day and have added two essentiale extremes in the morning with breakfast.

Nate

Nate40 wrote: I'm also doing 50mg of DBols a day and have added two essentiale extremes in the morning with breakfast.

Nate

Only 2 per day ?

Should I take more Oupa?

When i use dbols i take 2 morning and 2 before bed. Just saying...

I will change accordingly. Dankie Oupa.

Nate

Isn't that looking for more water??

Oupiel wrote: Isn't that looking for more water??

Genuine question - why do you think this would be the case?

So 4 essentials per day is optimal? I think it does say something to that effect on the box actually. But for doses lower than 50mg Im guessing 2 a day; 1 in the morning and 1 at night, would suffice?

Hormonas wrote:

Oupiel wrote: Isn't that looking for more water??

Genuine question - why do you think this would be the case?

My understanding & experience (Bro Science ON - flame suite ON):

Dbol estrogen sides & water go together.
More Dbol = more sides & more water.
Hence, I have preferred Tbol instead and not used Dbol again.
Going to try SuperDrol next cycle (looking for more than Tbol without the Dbol or A bomb bloat)

From what I have read, Apparently:
Dbol is not highly aromatized - so I can't say I understand why the associated water bloat & estrogen sides.

Oupiel wrote:

Hormonas wrote:

Oupiel wrote: Isn't that looking for more water??

Genuine question - why do you think this would be the case?

My understanding & experience (Bro Science ON - flame suite ON):

Dbol estrogen sides & water go together.
More Dbol = more sides & more water.
Hence, I have preferred Tbol instead and not used Dbol again.
Going to try SuperDrol next cycle (looking for more than Tbol without the Dbol or A bomb bloat)

From what I have read, Apparently:
Dbol is not highly aromatized - so I can't say I understand why the associated water bloat & estrogen sides.

Remember you will need cabber with superdrol.

Mason Might wrote: Remember you will need cabber with superdrol.

Yeah, that was a surprise/rude awakening when that was pointed out.
Didn't see it in anything I had read before.

Honestly, its putting me off a bit or making me think, may as well run Deca or NNP if I have to use Cabber.
As in:

Sdrol front load
Test C Base
Deca
Switch to:
Test Prop
NNP
Winstrol bridge.

PCT

But ultimately, would just prefer to KISS and short (14 - 16 week cycles are tiring)!!

Oupiel wrote:

Hormonas wrote:

Oupiel wrote: Isn't that looking for more water??

Genuine question - why do you think this would be the case?

My understanding & experience (Bro Science ON - flame suite ON):

Dbol estrogen sides & water go together.
More Dbol = more sides & more water.
Hence, I have preferred Tbol instead and not used Dbol again.
Going to try SuperDrol next cycle (looking for more than Tbol without the Dbol or A bomb bloat)

From what I have read, Apparently:
Dbol is not highly aromatized - so I can't say I understand why the associated water bloat & estrogen sides.

Oh I believe the guys were talking about taking 2 essentiale extremes and Oupa was talking about taking 4 per day (2 in the morning and two at night) :pinch:

But I completely agree with you, I did a few weeks of 40mg a day dbol and a few weeks of 100mg dbol (MY flame suit is on now) and all i noticed was a big increase in estrogen related water along with the strength that would come with that to a certain extent.