short estwr vs long ester

Hi guys!

I wanted to get some feedback from you guys about long vs short ester

Mainly is it set in stone that one must ust long esters for bulking and short ester for cutting??

Is ot true that short esters shut you down less and cause less etlstrogenic effects than the long esters beacuse it has less of a build up in your system? I know some of this propaly sounds stupid but i just want to learn some about long vs short ester

I'm bulking on NPP rather than Deca. Short esters just kick in and clear out quicker so you need to pin more often than long esters to keep blood levels stable plus with short being dosed lower it works out more expensive.

Nandrolone will shut you down good and proper no matter wich ester you choose.

www.isteroids.com/steroid-esters/

A long, but worth while read on different length esters.
Here is an extract from close to the end of the article.

"To sum everything up in a nice neat package:
• Longer esters are more anabolic than shorter ones
• Shorter esters cause less water retention
• Longer esters cause more gonadal suppression
• Shorter esters cause a higher peak plasma level
• Most of this is only applicable to steroids that are estrified, aromatizable, and able to convert to DHT"

jc001 wrote: Hi guys!

I wanted to get some feedback from you guys about long vs short ester

Mainly is it set in stone that one must ust long esters for bulking and short ester for cutting??

Complete cow dung. This myth comes from the fact that longer esters cause slightly more water weight gain compared to shorter esters.

Is ot true that short esters shut you down less and cause less etlstrogenic effects than the long esters beacuse it has less of a build up in your system? I know some of this propaly sounds stupid but i just want to learn some about long vs short ester

This myth comes from not understanding the mechanism of the compounds correctly. When you pin, the ester is 'cleaved' from the compound which effectively splits the compound and the ester and they say goodbye and they go their separate ways. Short ester or long ester doesn't matter it is still exactly the same compound. E.g Test Prop versus Test-Cyp, you are still pinning Testosterone plus an ester. The misunderstanding that longer esters will shut you down more simply comes from the fact that longer esters mean longer cycle durations. The longer the cycle, the more suppressive it is. For example an NPP (Nandrolone Phenylpropionate) cycle should ideally be 8-10 weeks, where a Deca (Nandrolone Decanoate) cycle is ideally 12-15 weeks. Obviously 12-15 weeks of shutdown is a lot more suppressive than 8-10 weeks. Both are the same compound- Nandrolone.

These are good questions bud and you are welcome to ask these things and I will help you.

Thanks for the awsume reply pyro!!

Really cleared things up alot!

Okay i can understand why people say it then like you said beacuse of the longer cycle and such but thanks for clearing all.that up!

in terms of a 8 week prop cycle woul it look like

w1-8 100mg(1ml) eod test prop this ads up to about 83x4 = 332 mg of actual test?
or would 1.25ml eod be best as that ads to 103.75x4 = 415mg of actual test
w 1 - 8 aromasin 12.5mg eod
w 4-8 hcg 500iu eod

pct
2 weeks after last pin
week1-4 nolvadex at a 40/30/20/10 dose

Prop 100mg EOD is only if you are sensitive to test I.m.o. I would advise 150mg EOD it is a nice sweet spot! What concentration Aromasin pills are you gonna get?

I am gona get 25mg tablets so that would be half a tablet a day?

Sounds unnecessarily complicated! One tab E3D from day one of cycle until start of PCT. Increase dosage if symptoms of gyno appear.

Yeah that does sound a bit less complicated!! Thanks!

As for the rest of the cycle

W1-8 test P 150mg eod
W 1-10 aromasin eod
Week 4-8 hcg 500iu eod
Week 11/12/13/14 nolvadex at 40/30/20/10

Does all that sound good?

Thanks for all the nice replies and info pyro!

I help gladly man. Nolva 20mg ED for 30 days. Have you thought of adding some orals for some extra heat?

I wana stick to a test only cycle to first judge how my body reacts to testosterone before using orals and such

In that case stay away from Test Prop and go for Test-En or Cyp for twelve weeks.

No need to be a pin cushion on an exploratory cycle...

Good move on test only, very responsible.