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jc001
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11 Mar 2015 15:28 #182726 by jc001

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Hi there guys! Havent posted in lobg since i didnt know that much before so was kinda just being stupid so i first went and did some research,,and am back with some.question?! Not for a cycle of such but more like a example cycle to see if i understand the idea behind constructing a cycle?! (If that makes sense)

It will go as such

W 1-2 test enanthate 300mg
W 3-10 test enanthate 500mg
W 1-2 oral turinabol 40 mg
w 3 -5 oral turinabol 60mg(or dianabol?)
Bridge: (this is something im still learning about)
W 9-13 anavar or turinabol? Im really not sure i think anavar beacuse its less toxic? Please some help here would be great

PCT
30 days after last test injection and 3 days after last anavar/Tbol pill
Week 1 clomid 50 mg twice a day for 7 day
Week 2-5 nolvadex 20 mg per day for 30 days

please some help would be great guys

i hope this cycle atleast looks like a know something by now :unsure:

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Oupiel
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11 Mar 2015 15:44 - 11 Mar 2015 15:47 #182729 by Oupiel

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The Bridge is the period between your last shot & the start of PCT.
It's to allow for the injectable AAS levels to decrease to where they are no longer suppressing your natural Test production.

The Oral in the bridge period are to keep you anabolic while the injected levels decrease.
Orals have a very short lifespan compared with most injectables.
Then just before PCT, stop oral. Within a day or so all levels of AAS are hopefully where they are no longer suppressive.

What's your thoughts behind increasing your doses after 2 weeks?
I understand the short lived orals i.e. if you get sides, you can wind it back quickly.
But the lifespan of Test En is too long to wind back quickly in the event of unwanted sides.

plug these doses into this calculator. roidcalc.powerbody.ru/?langid=8
While I can't vouch for the absolute accuracy, the graphs give you a good idea of what's happening.

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jc001
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11 Mar 2015 16:03 #182732 by jc001

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Okay i understand so.it would be besg to keep.the test dose ar 300 mg then

Okay and i understand bridging now so would u suggest sticking to the turinabol then for the bridge starting in the second last week of the cycle ubtil like 2 days before pct start?

Is a aromotose inhibitor like arimidex needed? Or should.i only use it if a start having sides and at a dose like 0.5mg EOD

Is hcg necesary for a milder cycle like this?

Thanks for the quick and nice reply!

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Oupiel
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11 Mar 2015 16:15 #182733 by Oupiel

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300mg/week might be a little low. Initially, when it kicks in, it will increase your total Test, but when your natural test production is suppressed, 300mg / week isn't enough.

So you want to front-load with Tbol & bridge with Tbol?
I suppose it can be done, but will leave that to more experienced guys to comment on.

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jc001
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11 Mar 2015 16:23 #182734 by jc001

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One of the things i was wondering was if you can frontload and bridge with the same oral?

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Oupiel
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11 Mar 2015 16:47 #182737 by Oupiel

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jc001 wrote: Is a aromotose inhibitor like arimidex needed?
Or should.i only use it if a start having sides and at a dose like 0.5mg EOD - Have it on hand, cos when you need it, you neeeeed it! But only use it if you have issues.

Is hcg necesary for a milder cycle like this? - Maybe not, theory being you have not been suppressed so long that your balls have atrophied. But, 10 weeks is a while and size vs functioning of your balls may not be directly related. I'd follow the PCT guide on this site i.e. over 8 weeks use HCG.

Thanks for the quick and nice reply!

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Oupa
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11 Mar 2015 17:10 #182738 by Oupa

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jc001 wrote: One of the things i was wondering was if you can frontload and bridge with the same oral?

Yes you can use the same oral for front load and bridge but usually you want to use a steroid that is not aromatased by the body during your bridge like winstrol, tbol or anavar.

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jc001
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11 Mar 2015 19:35 #182746 by jc001

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Hey oupa! I would like to maybe get some feedback from.you about the HCG also? When would be best to.start the hcg? Im currently reading ANABOLICS by william llewellyn and my main consern with usimgng it to soon is that prolonged use desensitizes the lydig cells and high levels of it xan lead to raised estrogen beacuse

It calls for a protocal of 3 weeks at 2000iu every 3rd day? But i think this pertains.to.some. some of the more hardcore cycles in the book

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11 Mar 2015 19:50 #182749 by 00pump

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That's outdated information ..

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jc001
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11 Mar 2015 19:58 #182751 by jc001

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Hey can i maybe get some feedback then on what your opion.is on it? Just want to get as much information as possible

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Mason Might
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11 Mar 2015 21:34 #182755 by Mason Might

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A nice general rule of thumb is to start HCG when you complete the
the oral kick start...

So around week 5. And use it throughout your bridge too, cessation only before starts...

You asking the right questions and are thinking about it, well done dude.

When it hurts... That's when i start counting, because that's when it starts to count.

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Mason Might
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11 Mar 2015 21:35 #182756 by Mason Might

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Before PCT starts...

When it hurts... That's when i start counting, because that's when it starts to count.

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jc001
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12 Mar 2015 06:17 #182759 by jc001

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Would you suggest a dosage of like 500iu every other day like on the pct protocol on the site?

Would.you run nolvadex while on the hcg or a aromotose inhibiter like arimidex beacuse of the fact hcg aromotises? Considering the test wich already will cause increased estrogen

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12 Mar 2015 06:19 #182760 by jc001

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HCG Dosage
Smaller doses, more frequently during a cycle will give best overall results with least unwanted side effects. Somewhere between 500IU and 1000IU per day would be best over about a two-week period. These doses are sufficient to avoid/rectify testicular atrophy without increasing oestrogen levels too dramatically and risking gynecomastia. This dosing schedule also avoids the risk of permanently down-regulating the LH receptors in the testes.

It is important for the HCG administration to have been completed with 6 or 7 clear days before the onset of PCT in order to avoid inhibition of the Nolvadex and/or Clomid therapy. Also, a small daily dose (10-20mg) of Nolvadex would normally be used in conjunction with HCG in order to prevent oestrogenic symptoms caused by sudden increases in aromatisation.

This is the text im.qouting from.and referencing

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12 Mar 2015 08:10 #182765 by jc001

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W 1-10 test E 500mg
W 1-4 Tbol 60mg
W 6-10 HCG 500IU EOD
W 6-10 ARiMIDEX 0.5MG EOD
W 9-13 tbol 60 mg
W 13-14 clomid 50 x 2 per day
W 14-17 nolva 20mg.per day

This a suggestion somehow.on another forum gave me as i posted it on a few forums

What do.you guys think

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Mason Might
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12 Mar 2015 09:13 #182767 by Mason Might

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From week 5- end of cycle 250iux2 week.

Continue that into the bridge, last 3 weeks of bridge, increase to 500iu x2 week.

Stop HCG before ypu start PCT

When it hurts... That's when i start counting, because that's when it starts to count.

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jc001
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12 Mar 2015 09:18 #182768 by jc001

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Is it safe to go over the 5000iu in total.mark? Frm what i read 5000-10 000 iu is the range over that and you risk desensirizeing and such

Is rhe arimidex with HCG fine or would something else be prefered

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Mason Might
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12 Mar 2015 09:41 #182769 by Mason Might

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Run in the way, and time lines discussed you shouldn't have any problems. If you aren't having issues with Test HCG should not be a problem.

When it hurts... That's when i start counting, because that's when it starts to count.

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Oupiel
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12 Mar 2015 10:42 #182770 by Oupiel

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Also monitor your signs of E.
The fact that you have external & internal test means potentially higher overall test levels.
Which means potential more E via aromatised T.

But, this isn't necessarily an issue - a bit of E is not necessarily a bad thing.
You may retain a bit more water, etc.
But if there are no issues like Gyno, why load your system with an AI and be exposed to more issues related to the AI.
Only use the AI if you're having issues.

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jc001
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12 Mar 2015 15:19 #182790 by jc001

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Thanks guys

It makes me happy to get the reasurance that im atleast understanding and grasping the rhing im reading about!

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12 Mar 2015 22:29 #182809 by Naftaly

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Pardon me if I'm Hi jacking your post
I often see people talking about cruising for a year or sometime. I think Oupa also mentioned something of that sort. What exactly is meant by this term and what kind of substances are taken while on cruise? How long can one actually cruise? I figured it must mean taking time off yet using certain substances to maintain or something of that nature.

There are no limits.Only plateaus, and you must not live there, you must go beyond them...

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jc001
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12 Mar 2015 22:46 #182810 by jc001

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From what i underatand it involves running TRT(testosterone replacement therapy) level dosages of like 200-250.mg every week? But i have done very little research regarding it

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Mason Might
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12 Mar 2015 22:55 #182811 by Mason Might

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I also have only a basic understanding of the process...
Basically you Blast, run a proper cycle, and then instead of PCT you run TRT dosage for a while... Then Blast again! You run a few cycles like this and then take a LONG time off after running an intense PCT.

Be warned, you need to be on the top of your game, regular bloods, check ups, necessary ancillaries.

This is more of an art and can end up hurting you if not done properly.

When it hurts... That's when i start counting, because that's when it starts to count.

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jc001
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13 Mar 2015 06:25 #182813 by jc001

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Rich piana says in one of his videos he uses test and HCG between cycles but i dont know long extended cycles.of hcg can be just as bad as it kan desensitize your testes and aromatises quite badly

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Furk
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13 Mar 2015 07:58 #182815 by Furk

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But won't you only aromatize if you test is excessively high, eg. on cycle? As I understand there is no risk if your hcg/test is to replace natural test to it's normal levels.

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