Beginner bulking cycle advice

Hello Gents,

I need some guidance from the more experienced guys regarding my first bulking cycle. Below are my stats, AAS history, diet and training plan. Questions to follow that.

Stats:

Age: 29

Height: 1.72m

Weight: 78Kg

Body fat: 10%

Training history:

Been lifting for about 7 years on and off. The last 3 years I’ve been the most consistent and disciplined in my training. One year ago I completed the beginner lean mass cycle (Oral Primobolan and Proviron). Although not massive gains, I was really really pleased with the results and overall experience. Felt strong in the gym, was hard as rock and put on noticeable lean gains which I have more or less managed to maintain.

Goals:

I feel ready to explore the use of Test and see what gains I can make and how my body reacts. Very important goal for me though is to make quality gaind i can keep. I don’t see the point in putting on 12Kg on a cycle only to lose 10Kg when the cycle ends (more questions on this later). I also don’t see AAS as a wonder drug to replace the nutrition/training/lifestyle necessary to build and maintain serious mass. I want to choose the right AAS to supplement the results of my bodybuilding lifestyle. I want to avoid the bloated puffy look. I’ve read this is possible using DBol / Test Cyp but would appreciate your guidance.

Diet:

My diet plan provides the following daily macros:

Protein: 400g; Carbs: 423; Fat: 127. Total Calories: Around 4100

06h00: 1 Banana; 2 scoops Nutritech Whey, 80g Oats, 2 jumbo free range whole raw eggs.

08h00: 100g Futurelife (high protein)

10h00: 2 slices wholewheat brown bread, 1/2 can of tuna; 4 scoops Nutritech Anabolic Mass Builder

13h00: 65g wholewheat pasta, 200g chicken, 4 cherry tomatoes, 30g Feta cheese, 1 TBL spoon Olive Oil

15h00: 2 slices wholewheat brown bread, 1/2 can of tuna, 2 scoops Nutritech Whey

17h00: 4 scoops Nutritech Anabolic Mass Builder (Pre / Intra workout)

18h00: 2 scoops Nutritech Whey, 80g Oats, Banana (Post workout)

20h00: 65g wholewheat pasta, 200g chicken, 4 cherry tomatoes, 30g Feta cheese, 1 TBL spoon Olive Oil

22h00: 2 scoops Nutritech Casein protein; 20g oats

Training:

5 days a week weight training, one major muscle group per day. Saturdays and Sundays active rest.

Proposed Cycle:

Beginner Bulking Cycle but adding Proviron during cycle and including TBol as a bridge.

 

Questions:

1. I used proviron in my first cycle last year with Primo. I’ve read up on it but am unclear as to whether it will have any benefit if used on this cycle. I’d really like to avoid a bloated / puffy look while bulking (not sure if this is possible). What do you recommend?

2. I plan to use an anti-oestrogen EOD regardless of whether I experience symptoms of gyno or not. This is mostly because this is my first time using an AAS that can cause aromatization and I’m concerned I won’t pick up on symptoms soon enough. Prevention is better than cure approach.  Do you agree with this approach? If so is there any benefit to using Arimidex over Letrozole (I plan to use Letrozole).

3. When I was a teenager I was quite prone to acne so am expecting to have to deal with it during my cycle (I also flared a bit when I finished the Primo cycle). What can you recommend I take to prevent / rectify this?

4. I’d like to bridge between the cycle and PCT. I’ve read that TBol is recommended for this @ 40mg split into two doses a day (20mg morn/20mg eve). Would you recommend this?

5. If you do recommend point 4, then do I use it for the full time period between cycle and PCT. I see the beginner bulk cycle has a gap of 29 days between cycle and PCT. Would I use TBol every day for the 29 days?

6. I’ve read that it is better to use the HCG during the cycle as opposed to during PCT. I see there are 10 doses of 500iu EOD. Does this mean I should start taking it 20 days before the end of the cycle? Or should I start using it during the bridge? Or do I stick to the cycle plan and take it during PCT after Clomid?

7. I’ve never injected before and am quite concerned that I do something wrong. What gauge needle is best and do you have any tips in terms of safety / precautions.

Thanks very much for your input.

Well done on logically presenting your questions!

1) Proviron will definitely be of benefit in your cycle, it will reduce Sex Hormone Binding Globulin thus allowing more free testosterone to circulate. See answer 2 for bloating.

2) An AI should prevent bloating, but remember that a bit of bloat is a good thing...
Letrozole is definitely the cheaper option but works well, for example Rhino swears by it. But it can have some crappy sides.
Arimidex is pricier but sides are less prominent.

3)shower, often... With soap.

4)Tbol, Anavar, Winstrol... All good to go in the bridge.

5)you would use it the day after your last pin up until A couple days before PCT.

6) start using HCG when you stop the dianabol, and use it right throughout your bridge.

7) 21-23 gauge and 1.5"
As per protocol there is an article in the articles section that will answer this for you in detail.

I am no expert but I love Tbol. It gives quality gains and has little to no water retention.

Maybe you can replace the Dbol with Tbol?

IronKobra767 wrote: 4. I’d like to bridge between the cycle and PCT. I’ve read that TBol is recommended for this @ 40mg split into two doses a day (20mg morn/20mg eve). Would you recommend this?

Tbol has a half life of 16 hours. If you time it properly around your workout session you can make sure you have the full 40mg active when you train. Maybe this is just a placebo effect, but it has made a difference for me.

Thanks Mason and Tramacet!

So I'll definitely include proviron through the cycle AND bridge and stop a day before I start PCT.

I'll use TBol in the bridge then. Any other views on replacing DBol with TBol to kick start?

You can do that... Not a problem at all... Some guys react very well to tbol, others aren't that impressed. Unfortunately one of those things that's completely individualised.

IronKobra767 wrote: Thanks Mason and Tramacet!

So I'll definitely include proviron through the cycle AND bridge and stop a day before I start PCT.

I'll use TBol in the bridge then. Any other views on replacing DBol with TBol to kick start?

I have always decided to use Tbol rather than Dbol. But as Mason said, some guys react very well to tbol, others aren't that impressed. Tbol works so well for me, I haven't even considered trying Dbol.

If your lean and around 10% bodyfat, you can use 1" or 1 1/4" needles.

The guys are giving you solid info

Thanks Oupa and others. I fell quite ill over Feb so have delayed the cycle by a month to get my strength at peak again but will update on progress once I start. Thanks for the info gents.

That is wise!

Hi gents,

I put this cycle on hold as I gained a promotion at work and so was unsure how it would affect my training schedule (longer hours, etc).

I've settled into the role now and have placed my order for the above cycle, with the additions based on your input here.

Last question I have regarding the inclusion of proviron. How much would I need? Am I going to use 40mg ED throughout the cycle and bridge?

Thanks.
Iron

Yes 40mg split throughout cycle.
Good luck mate.