Suthy's First Cycle

Hey guys. just wrote a whole shpiel and accidentally exited the tab
anyway, I would like to do my first cycle this year. It will be the beginner's cycle but as DJ has suggested to me I would frontload with Dbol and end off with winny or var as well as taking half my test from Test E and half from Test Prop. I will run HCG during cycle as I see that is the most popular around here and also I will add proviron and an AI to the mix if necessary. Advice and ideas on this?
previously I have taken winny and proviron only for 6 weeks with great results - currently halfway through PCT of nolva right now.

Stats:
Height: 179cm
Weight: 84kg
BF%: was 10% but over this holiday it is probably more like 12% (six pack still visible)

Before my cycle I have to sort out a few things - I need to take time off supposedly equal to time on; time on was 6 weeks + 4 weeks pct. This seems rather long and I would rather start sooner if possible.
secondly, I would like to cut back down to 10% or even lower before I start my cycle. thirdly, I am in dire need of good physio or a chiro to sort out my shoulder issues as my bench is STILL 25kgs lower than it was 2 years ago. Lastly, I would like to then reverse diet back to a surplus by very slowly adding about 20g of carbs and 3g of fat a week to my diet.

Diet:
IIFYM - its different everyday and I include ice cream or fast food almost everyday. I keep my fiber at about 45-50g a day and I eat a fair amount of fruit and veg. I eat healthier now than when I was following a strict diet because I know how much I have to eat and I eat veg because I like it, not because I have to.
Carbs: 250g
Protein: 219g
Fats: 69g
cals: 2500

To summarize, I need advice on if this cycle is good for me and advice on when would be the optimal time to start it this year given the issues I've mentioned above and also on if it's worth my while to cut down and then slowly reverse diet up to a surplus. I will start my cut on monday and see how it goes. I'll keep this thread as a progress log for everything. Im hoping it only takes 4 weeks to lean out and then I can start my reverse as the reverse takes around 10 weeks or so till I hit my goal calories and macros.

all advice welcome guys

Who is DJ ?

Not sure if I'm crossing some line by making public what DJ advised me in our correspondence but I'm talking about DJ from this forum. Apologies if that is inappropriate...

Oupa wrote: Who is DJ ?

+1 For being a top lad!

@SuThy:

Explain your cycle, the beginner cycle on this site is Dbol and Cyp. You are talking about Test Enth and Prop? Give us the dosages and duration you are planning on for those and we can guide you further. IMO stay with the Cyp and you can use Prop to bridge if you really want to.

Two months after PCT do some bloods, from there you can decide if you have recovered enough to cycle again.

Sorry, been super busy.
Ok so the cycle isn't exactly the beginner's one but I've read that Test E is preferable to test cyp in terms of water retention.

Dosages will be in the beginner range. Based on my stats, would 300mg of Test E and 300mg of test Prop a week be acceptable? Dbol will be run for 4 weeks at 50mg most probably. I haven't decided whether I will be using winny or var but I'm leaning towards winny for the last 2 weeks of the cycle plus bridge at 50mg as well. I suppose I'll have to wait to get bloods done... I can't imagine I'm at all shut down from the winny cycle. Sex drive is honestly maniacal and strength has remained mostly constant. I won't be an idiot and push it but I might want to start earlier. I'll keep this thread updated with my progress until then and then keep it as a log when I start. Any advice on the suggested dosages? It's my first proper cycle so I'm not exactly sure of where to start.

I'm very serious about doing this cycle guys. Does anyone have input on what I've suggested?

Stop mucking about... Use the beginners bulk cycle. Add a bridge.

Simple

Sup guys

Left this thread for a while but here's a progress update:

I'm starting week 5 of my reverse diet tomorrow which has entailed adding 10g of carbs and 2-3g of fat each week. I'm up to 300g carb, 82g fat and 220g protein now. Feeling good and weight has dropped to 79.8kgs. started reverse at about 82kgs. bodyfat around 10% (vascularity and abs showing strong). I want to start my cycle next month. Will be doing the beginner cycle. No complications other than adding a bridge of most likely winny.

Questions:
1.) HCG during cycle or during PCT rather?
2.) can I do 3xDbol (150 pills)?
3.) is arimidex worth the price over letro?

Good move +you starting at better place. Start Hcg during cycle, there might be a thread or 2 in which similar question is answered. IOW you're doing pct 2? I would personally think armi /aromasin is sufficient for this cycle. No problem with bridge, this cycle is looking textbook

1. Yes during cycle is best. There are indications that it can interfere with SERMS
2. Yup no issue there, can even look at Tbol,winny or pretty much any oral that fits your goals.
3. It is for your first cycle, Letro is a bit of trial and error whereas arimidex is easier to dose for a first time user with less sides. Aromasin is also a nice option and has the benefit of no rebound. Honestly I think Arimidex is the best choice.

Thanks for the responses guys,
yep, pct2 will be used except HCG during cycle instead of during PCT.
I'll have a look on the other threads to get the timing right.

Did some research on aromasin vs arimidex today and aromasin honestly looked better to me as well as being cheaper. Am I missing something? what are the opinions from some other members on arimidex vs aromasin?

Aromasin is the king.

Hi guys

so, I decided to focus on a few things and leave my cycle to now.
My gear has arrived today and I have a few questions.

Gear: Testocyp 250 (PGW), Dianabol 50 (LP), HCG 5000iu (enhanced peptides), Aromasin (LP)
beginner cycle being followed so dbol for 25 days at 40mg (unless it is advised to start at 30mg>?
Questions:
1.) I want to avoid water retention (need to avoid puffiness/high bp at all costs); what can I do to ensure this, with respect to using aromasin and any other advice
2.) I'm unsure of dosing, freqeuncy of use and period of use for aromasin. Do I use it every day until I am finished with the dbol and at what dosage? (25 days)
3.) The HCG has come as a little "rock" but some of it has powdered off the rock and is around the vial, im guessing this is from being shaken around. Will this affect the structure of the hormone or is it fine?

Thanks for your help in advance boys, looking extremely forward to this cycle, first jab tomorrow

At your weight, maybe start Dbol with 30mg/day.
Monitor bloat & BP, if all good, you can take it from there.

As for AI, I use Letro, so I'll let others give you their input.

Good luck with the cycle.

SuThy wrote: Dianabol 50 (LP), LP doesnt make Dbol 50, its dbol 10

1.) I want to avoid water retention (need to avoid puffiness/high bp at all costs); what can I do to ensure this, with respect to using aromasin and any other advice. Aromasin should take care of it. Use 20mg EOD
2.) I'm unsure of dosing, freqeuncy of use and period of use for aromasin. Do I use it every day until I am finished with the dbol and at what dosage? (25 days) Use it for 60 days. 30 caps @ EOD will give you 8 weeks of use
3.) The HCG has come as a little "rock" but some of it has powdered off the rock and is around the vial, im guessing this is from being shaken around. Will this affect the structure of the hormone or is it fine? Its perfectly fine, even if the cookie hcg broken in pieces.

Thanks for your help in advance boys, looking extremely forward to this cycle, first jab tomorrow

Thanks Oupa! just to clarify, should I start the aromasin tomorrow when I start dbol or is it beneficial to wait, say 3 days, for dbol to reach adequate blood levels?

No need for aromasin on day 1. As your 1st cycle you don't even know how you are going to react yet. As soon as sides rear their head, pop some AI. Taking AI without exogenous test will screw with natural Est, even Est has a function.

Just take it a day at a time, judge by how you look and feel. Stay hydrated, reduce sodium intake and keep your hands off your nipples.

Mo more nipple play?
haha, thanks Furkseidon, I was thinking along the same lines. I'll judge by how I feel and I'll stop eating those large bags of salted popcorn

Good luck mate. And enjoy it!

SuThy wrote: Mo more nipple play?
haha, thanks Furkseidon, I was thinking along the same lines. I'll judge by how I feel and I'll stop eating those large bags of salted popcorn

Just trying to help. My opinions and advice. Take it, leave it, wipe your bum with it. Your call.

Hey guys, so I started my cycle on Friday the 26th of June. took 30mg dbol ED and aside from minor strength increase didn't see any water retention, pump, etc so I upped to 40mg from thursday last week and still I don't see much happening. Do I up the dose again or should it take a while longer to work?
Strength in some exercises seems to be slightly better and, excuse this being weird, my semen is clumpy.. that's the only difference I've noticed. Test cyp is every friday and tuesday so far but I assume that's not doing anything yet.

All feedback welcome

Also, I'm splitting the dose as 20mg at 11am and 20mg preworkout at 6pm. Is this fine?

Split the dose evenly throughout the day, every 8 hours. Keep the dosage where it is.

My only problem with that is that from what I've read, orals such as dbol should not be taken with food, specifically fat. So timing is a bit difficult to plan an hour before and after not to eat. Would taking 40mg preworkout be optimal or is a 4 way split the only way to go?