whey cassein and fasted cardio

ice-rip
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11 Mar 2011 15:57 #63099 by ice-rip

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i want to incorporate fasted cardio at about 65% heart rate for 30 minutes every morning however want to maximize fat burning whilst minimizing muscle wasting. i wanted to know which be be the best choice of protein source to use for minimizing muscle wasting whilst getting the most fat loss and how much should i use. i know whey does cause insulin release which will be counterproductive for my fat loss goals but is it significant enough to hinder the fat loss. or would the evox 100% cassein be a better choice

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ABC01
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11 Mar 2011 16:07 #63100 by ABC01

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I dont think that you will get that much muscle waste with 30min fasted state cardio at that intensity. I do 1.5hrs fasted state cardio 3 x per week of which 2 is at around 60-70% and 1 is 70-85%. I add normal whey to my oats afterwards and i dont see any muscle wasting

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Empire
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11 Mar 2011 16:14 #63101 by Empire

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rather use 10g bcaa if u are gonna use anything..i get most of my guys to do fasted cardio with nothing before hand and they dont have muscle wasting at all

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12 Mar 2011 10:35 #63145 by m0lt3n

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10g? thats like 10caps? i am taking 3 and 3 amino stack plus another 4 bcaa intra workout. that okey?

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12 Mar 2011 10:49 #63147 by Empire

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10g is 20caps if u are using the ssn one,they are 500mg BCAA caps... rather get yourself some glutamine,bcaa powder and have a mixture of that 10g bcaa and 10g glutamine if u are gonna be having anything,but if your calories are a decent level then u are not gonna need to have anything before cardio

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12 Mar 2011 12:18 #63152 by m0lt3n

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i am using bcaa from basic supplements,which by the way needs another acronym than bs.
i do have a little glutimine,leucine and arginine with the bcaa and amino stack. but its not for fasted cardio,but rather normal gymming. calories pretty high,trying to bulk so am basically eating as much as i can.
wont u advise normal aminos with the bcaa to cover all the bases?
pls give more feedback,people pretty quiet on this topic

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ice-rip
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14 Mar 2011 07:47 #63315 by ice-rip

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i want to incorporate an off the shelf fat burner now bros. not eca. what are some of the top brands i could use to aid my fasted cardio. at the moment im between lipo 6 black and hydroxycut hardcore. anyone else i should consider and which of the two are better from hydroxy and lipo 6

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14 Mar 2011 08:06 #63316 by Koe007

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Hi ice-rip, I tried Hydroxycut Hardcore, definitely not worth it imo. Oxy-Elite will do you far better, a woman at my gym used lipo 6, worked well for her.

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14 Mar 2011 09:40 #63335 by ice-rip

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anyone ever use sps ultra cuts. there other products i rate as top notch.

one concern i have is if use a fat burner and preworkout later in the evening for weights. is that not too much caffeine. i use a half serving of muscle marinade before weights. do u reckon it will be fine for overall health to add a fat burner

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STUARTF
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14 Mar 2011 11:54 #63368 by STUARTF

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ice-rip, why not just get some clen or heat. They work so much better than the on-shelf fat burners.

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ice-rip
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14 Mar 2011 11:58 #63370 by ice-rip

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bro . heat nor beesting nor any of these eca stacks do anything for me. i can take 2 heat caps and go to bed. its absolute krap. the only eca that worked was muscle extreme. i dont want to use epherdrine atm. i am waiting for my next cycle to start and dont want a heavy substance like epherdrine whilst im "detoxing"

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14 Mar 2011 12:17 #63378 by STUARTF

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You're a freak of nature - I would be wide awake all night if I had two heat caps before bed, but i understand, eph is a heavy substance and rather stay away if it in a detox period. Have you tried clen?

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14 Mar 2011 12:20 #63380 by ice-rip

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thats probably courteousy of the muscle marinade frying my receptors over the last year.thats the only pre workout i can use and believe me, ive used almost all on the market. have not yet tried clen . reckon on its own it will work?

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14 Mar 2011 12:26 #63381 by Koe007

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Stacked with T3 its AMAZING, again be careful with T3 must be tapered on and off, also im sure you know clen must be used 2 weeks on, 2 weeks off, Taurine and Beta sleep help upregulate receptors, Taurine more for heart as it helps with electrical rhythms of heart stable with prolonged clen use.

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14 Mar 2011 12:29 #63382 by STUARTF

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I agree, I've also tried them all and Muscle Marinade is by far the best.

Clen is my favourite fatburner. Always does the trick, but it works on the same receptors as eph. MM shouldn't effect beta-receptors too much, give clen a shot.

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14 Mar 2011 13:25 #63392 by ice-rip

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just a quick one on mm. the guys in most supps stores are afraid of it. they say purus have put something in there thats not listed on the label. anything to be worried about. last time i had i used it i had a resting heart rate of 85bpm

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14 Mar 2011 13:51 #63398 by STUARTF

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I doubt Purus Labs would be so stupid as to do that. These workout drinks are closely monitored by the FDA and an unlisted, potentially scheduled substance can get them into a nasty legal situation that could destroy the company. Purus Labs are renowned for their pre-lab work and their muscle marinade formula is a product of lengthy chemical trials to get the perfect blend of ingredients. All the compounds included are given in the leaflet inside the bottle with a comprehensive description of their potential side effects.

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14 Mar 2011 14:12 #63400 by ice-rip

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do u use full serving and at what time is the latest u would use it

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STUARTF
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14 Mar 2011 14:26 #63403 by STUARTF

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To be safe I would avoid taking it 3 hours before bed. If you use it for extended periods of time your body does get used to it and the "buzz" doesn't last as long.

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14 Mar 2011 14:29 #63404 by STUARTF

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And yes, I do use a full serving. I train around 6 and by 10:30 I am knackered and have no trouble sleeping, especially now that I'm off tren.

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20 Mar 2011 08:53 #63891 by ice-rip

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ok so i lost 3,5 kgs this week on fasted cardio. i think coz i got bored and started running. im gona do cardio every second day now as my weight is dropping too fast. should i rather do a 45 min walk or 30min run on speed8 on treadmill?

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20 Mar 2011 09:17 #63893 by ABC01

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ice-rip wrote: ok so i lost 3,5 kgs this week on fasted cardio. i think coz i got bored and started running. im gona do cardio every second day now as my weight is dropping too fast. should i rather do a 45 min walk or 30min run on speed8 on treadmill?

Shit! 3.5kg's in 1 week because of fasted state cardio? As matter of interest bud what is you weight, height and bf%

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20 Mar 2011 09:18 #63894 by Empire

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why not just do 30min walk 5 mornings a week or only on training days...on an incline obviously...just check ur calories arent too low but 3.5kgs in the first week could be an excess of water being dropped esp if u are using a caffeine based fat burner..

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20 Mar 2011 12:24 #63905 by ice-rip

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no fatburner DJ but ja it seems like a lot of water is now going. gonna revert back to walking for safety sake. my protein on this week was around 300-320g. carb around 180 g and fat around60 -70g

abc im now 101-102kgs at 1,98m. bodyfat must around 18%

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21 Mar 2011 07:20 #63910 by Empire

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well see how it goes,if your strength starts to decline as a result then keep the cardio the same but increase caloires slightly.

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