Kessar Estrogen rebound- Tribulus?

Sharky
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09 Sep 2009 00:09 #22163 by Sharky

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Hello everyone,
I have started my cycle of Test prop and Letro
Test prop- 180mg eod, 8 weeks
Letro- .25 ed, 7 weeks (tapering off in the 8th)

For my pct starting 1 day after last shot of test and last dose of letro.

Kessar- weeks 9-12, 20mg
Pregnyl- 500iu x 6 shots over weeks 7, 8 and 9.(2 per week)

My question-

I am Preventing estrogen rebound from the letro with the kessar from my PCT, but once i come off the kessar then what is going to stop estrogen rebound from occuring and will my test levels be normal?

Some people advise Tribulus- should i take this after PCT, during or not at all??

Thanks alot>

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00pump
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09 Sep 2009 07:39 #22166 by 00pump

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If you do PCT for around 30 days, the rebound will be long gone, its all the influx of when you stop the letro right out.. Also remeber one thing you taking 0.25mg letro, as much as people might say it can supress 90% of estrogen, I find that 'BULLSHIT' I have taken it at lower doses for quite some time and was still heavly bloated... specially my face... then again as I said in a previous post, my research has show that letro is a very individual drug and dosing is made difficult due to this. so what works for you on 0.25 might not work for me on 1.5mg....

anyway back to your point... I don't think you will have a problem with rebound after this... its the first few days that is the worst..

maybe what you should do is start the kessar 2 / 3 days before you stop the letro.. kessar lowers plazma levels of letro so this could be a good thing at this time as would help stabalize plazma levels of the kessar.

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Empire
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09 Sep 2009 08:31 #22172 by Empire

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bro u are just over 21 u shouldnt be using muti yet in the first place..

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09 Sep 2009 08:44 #22177 by 00pump

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sorry I didn't even know the age or wouldn't have advised anything.

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Sting
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09 Sep 2009 08:53 #22179 by Sting

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Tried to let you guys know he was young from the start but I dont think you guys realised cos everyone jumped in with advice

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Lesa
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09 Sep 2009 12:40 #22193 by Lesa

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djeasye wrote:

bro u are just over 21 u shouldnt be using muti yet in the first place..

Amen

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Sharky
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09 Sep 2009 13:27 #22201 by Sharky

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Listen everyone please I am asking for a bit of help here-

I Understand fully you guys are here to promote safety and safe use. But I have been in and sround the gym since I was a baby, training from 13 years and training properly since 16. Added to that I am only running the test and letro at low doses and following all the correct protocal.

Not some typical youngster you chek on the other threads who wants to juice his mind out. And trying 2 make my cycle more safe than it is.

Thanks a lot understand ur comments fuly.

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09 Sep 2009 13:44 #22207 by 00pump

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Please respond to my post I made...

I will rather help than let you do something wrong. like I did for many a year.

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09 Sep 2009 13:56 #22209 by jackrabbit1

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I will rather help than let you do something wrong. like I did for many a year.

I agree with that.

If you look at some of the great BB in the past most started young. Dorian Yates started at 21. He decided to to be a BB and read-up on everything he could find before even putting a foot in the gym. I bet he also used the correct AAS from day 1!

Lee Priest probably started a bit young, and thats probably why he's a (really) short shit. But noone can deny that hes also got one of the best builds ever. Its a choice he made.

And so also, if a young guy really knows the pros and cons whe should respect that decision and help as much as possible - who knows, without all the mistakes, he could be a top BB in 5 years!

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Sharky
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09 Sep 2009 18:00 #22248 by Sharky

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True story there jackrabbit- why not?- Small test dose, eat right, suppliment right, train hard, correct PCT.

And pump appreciate it a lot, heard that letro is personal and works differently on everyone. Have mild gyno that I've had since about 16 the bumps have over time gone away just puffiness. Too scared 2 try the build up gyno reversal with the 2.5 dose and am just at .25 everyday can't tell if working yet (probably won't be able to just a maintanence).

Scared of any estrogen rebound or test imbalance and would obviously like 2 keep my gains. thus the question about rebound being possible after PCT (discontinuation of kessar) and if running tribulus after my test shots, during PCT is a good idea??

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09 Sep 2009 19:02 #22252 by 00pump

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hmmmmmm, in my personal experiencce letro does nothing for that 'puffness' you talking about until i bumped it up to 2.5mg a day.... now, I have started taking parlodel what lowers prolactin levels and this has done wonders, all that soft tissue around is 90% gone and i'm really starting to look nice and hard again when I flex my chest... what you talking about sounds like progesterone sides..

I would speak to a doc first as I don't like to tell anyone to self medicate, but doctari advised I go this route, so thats what i'm doing and its working and I have been able to lower my letro now for the last few days.

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Sharky
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09 Sep 2009 21:05 #22266 by Sharky

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yea have been following your run with the letro and parlodel,
parlodel sides also sound unpleasent? is it relatively safe? how about on its own? like when iam done with my cycle and PCT about 2/3 months or so after?

And then anyone with any info on the tribulus and PCT?

Many thanks

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09 Sep 2009 22:12 #22273 by Mr Moose

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Sharky the shark i discovered a pct with tribulus in it:
Go and chek out the downloads section and search the GP PCT protocol or suming.
Should sort you out no experience with it tho, makes sense i guess keep the levels up after shots!

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Lesa
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09 Sep 2009 23:56 #22286 by Lesa

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Sharky wrote:

yea have been following your run with the letro and parlodel,
parlodel sides also sound unpleasent? is it relatively safe? how about on its own? like when iam done with my cycle and PCT about 2/3 months or so after?

And then anyone with any info on the tribulus and PCT?

Many thanks

What info do you need dude? Tribulus is good to take during PCT just as ZMA and longfelia jack exctract make sure you are using High doses of Vitamin C(by this i mean go up to a few grams) and get yourself a good multi vitamin. Vitamin B12 and B complex is good as well

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Sharky
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10 Sep 2009 00:26 #22287 by Sharky

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Just whether i should run it during my PCT or not- and if anyone has had experiences as far as dosages go and how long to take it etc.. Got the ON multivit opti-men and take cal-c vita everyday, that should handle it.

Thanks

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Lesa
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10 Sep 2009 02:09 #22288 by Lesa

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I use animal stack 2 as my pct starts . I find that product to supplement very well in my PCT. Although i do double dosages than what it says on the label.

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10 Sep 2009 07:49 #22296 by 00pump

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Sharky put it this way, you can take all the tribulus in the world its not going to help for PCT alone... yes, you can add in all the other bits an pieces I use it sometimes.... as Lesa said animal allready has it in its mix.... put it this way, it wont cause any harm, but you need to do proper pct (nolva) ....

also parlodel first few days are hectic, i'm feeling much better now.... feeling great! still a bit ill after the tablet, but I make sure I eat before...

PS... I don't drink _hardly ever_ but friday night had 2 single whiskeys and man, I feel like this parlodel is drug used to stop one drinking, it just wants to come up....

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Sharky
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10 Sep 2009 09:27 #22309 by Sharky

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Thanks for the info lesa- immediatley thought of animal stack when people mentioned natural test during PCT, their tablet system is overboard and never got good results on their m-stack. Do you think tribulus by itself will do the trick or is the animal pack a better option.

Already have my Pct with kessar and pregnyl sorted, was wanting to add to it and help my test level more along their way by adding the tribulus. As for the parlodel, I will see how my gyno is aftr my cycle if it stays the same then guess I will opt for the parlodel route. Would I take a break after my cycle and PCT then opt for it??
Thanks again

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10 Sep 2009 09:47 #22310 by 00pump

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Animal Stack does help....

But when it comes to getting things back you used drugs to shut it down you need drugs to bring it back in the swing of things... to be honest, you really don't need anything other than HCG + Kessar and maybe an AI..

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10 Sep 2009 09:51 #22311 by 00pump

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Parlodel won't shut you down, so you can use it when you want... I'm enjoying using it with the Letro now and making sure I get rid of everything right now before I even start PCT in 3 weeks... I am actually going to stop test all together during this last 3 weeks and stick wtih EQ only, less estrogen than staying on test.. I'll sort my gyno out first then worry about bulk and other cycles... I will throw in some Winnie to really keep me hard and solid right up till PCT.... Its hard to know the size of your gyno, when I flex I have a 'tiny' bit of soft tissue around the nipple... its very minimal and i'm sure by the end of the cycle it should be completly gone if not i'll go under the knife again.

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Sharky
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10 Sep 2009 10:12 #22313 by Sharky

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understood, correct me if iam wrong but I thought letro was one of the best AI's. Surely u can't take it during PCT.

So then would you suggest just the kessar and pregnyl.

Ok so if this doesn't work and gyno remains or (touch wood) gets worse, can and should I try run is when iam done with my PCT of this cycle and if I am going to run it with letro should I take say a months break after my PCT?

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10 Sep 2009 10:18 #22316 by Sharky

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Sorry final paragraph refers to using the parlodel after the PCT.

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10 Sep 2009 10:29 #22318 by 00pump

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No you don't need a break and you can run it through your PCT..

Letro will cause an increase in testosterone... So will any other AI....

From my own experience its best to combat gyno when you not on a cycle...

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Sharky
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10 Sep 2009 12:11 #22326 by Sharky

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Ok now slightly confused, what are you saying about the letro? that I should run it through PCT??

Well then I think I'll rather wait till off my cycle and PCT and if necessary go on the parlodel-

thanks a lot for the help!