Advice required for my training bud..

Hey guys.. I hope you are all good!

I know it's been some time since I have posted, but like Oupa always says.. life happens!

I'm asking for some help for my Training bud, please! I've tried to search for the answers on the forum, but i'm still stuck!

Okay, so he successfully finished his PCT in March after running a cycle of Test Cyp and Equi. He ran HCG throughout the cycle and his recover was pretty much as good as you'd get on a cycle like that.

5 months later and he has soreness and a lump in his right breast. He has always been prone to Gyno but has managed it. He's now on 1.5mg of Letrozole / day [started on 0.5mg and up'd it by 0.5 every five days] The lump in the breast is a lot smaller and soreness has gone, so the letro has worked.

So my questions are:

>He has been running the Letro for around two weeks now, how long should he carry on with it? he is having some nasty sides - ie: headaches, hot flushes, restlessness sleeping etc.

>He has Zero Libido, that's a side from the letro right? and should return once the letro is stopped?

>Will the lump just return once the Letro has been stopped? or should he now run something else? run another full PCT? or get blood work done?

I'm really confused as to why this has happened 5 months after running a PCT. and it was a successful one too! so I dunno!

He's using almost every natural test boostger you can get to try and increase his natural levels.
>ZMA
>DAA
>TRIBULUS & GINSENG
>VASCAMEN
>TESTOBLAST XTREME

Guys any advise at all would be so appreciated. I really am concerned about the dude and just wanna help him the correct way.

Thanks so much!
RonTheSaveg

Your friend is suffering from estrogen rebound. If he has a lump then it is serious and Letro is the only thing that will help. Tell your partner ( ) that anyone who fights a lump and doesn't feel like a turd sandwich is not doing it right. He should stay on the Letro until the lump has disappeared, then taper off slowly to prevent another rebound.

Haha! Pyro! :silly: as always.. to the rescue!

Thanks so much bru!
R

Good to see you online bro!
Nate

Pyroclasm wrote: Your friend is suffering from estrogen rebound. If he has a lump then it is serious and Letro is the only thing that will help. Tell your partner ( ) that anyone who fights a lump and doesn't feel like a turd sandwich is not doing it right. He should stay on the Letro until the lump has disappeared, then taper off slowly to prevent another rebound.

Hey Pyro...

So he's been on the letro for a month, lump disappeared and he tapered off the letro. one week later and lamp and soreness is back.

Does he need to go back onto the Letro and continue for even longer? would appreciate your help here, he's getting really stressed about this and I dunno when these kinda complications happen. :blink:
Thanks Bru!
R

Hey Ron

Post your friends cycle and pct with the time frame please. I have a feeling pct wasnt done right as I also have problem with gyno. But after pct everything comes right.

Keen22 wrote: Hey Ron

Post your friends cycle and pct with the time frame please. I have a feeling pct wasn't done right as I also have problem with gyno. But after pct everything comes right.

Hey Keen.

Yeah, PCT was successful hey and was completed in March this year. followed the correct PCT protocol and ran HCG in cycle. Its post cycle gyno, happens to some oaks.

RonTheSaveg wrote:

Pyroclasm wrote: Your friend is suffering from estrogen rebound. If he has a lump then it is serious and Letro is the only thing that will help. Tell your partner ( ) that anyone who fights a lump and doesn't feel like a turd sandwich is not doing it right. He should stay on the Letro until the lump has disappeared, then taper off slowly to prevent another rebound.

Hey Pyro...

So he's been on the letro for a month, lump disappeared and he tapered off the letro. one week later and lamp and soreness is back.

Does he need to go back onto the Letro and continue for even longer? would appreciate your help here, he's getting really stressed about this and I dunno when these kinda complications happen. :blink:
Thanks Bru!
R

No worries bud your friend will be just fine just give it some time and the correct drugs. He is obviously quite prone to estrogen rebound so he will have to use aromasin. Does he have Aromasin on hand? Does he have Nolva or Arimidex on hand?

Pyroclasm wrote:
No worries bud your friend will be just fine just give it some time and the correct drugs. He is obviously quite prone to estrogen rebound so he will have to use aromasin. Does he have Aromasin on hand? Does he have Nolva or Arimidex on hand?

Thank you so much Pyro. He has a few drops of Arimidex and 6 x 20mg caps of LP Nolva. and I have just placed an order for all of the above should arrive soon.

He only needs to use the Arimidex until the Aromasin kicks in (he won't need anything else). Immediately get him on Arimidex@0.2mg ED. Run the Aromasin @20mg ED the moment you get it until he starts PCT. Stop the Arimidex one week into the Aromasin.

Pyroclasm wrote: He only needs to use the Arimidex until the Aromasin kicks in (he won't need anything else). Immediately get him on Arimidex@0.2mg ED. Run the Aromasin @20mg ED the moment you get it until he starts PCT. Stop the Arimidex one week into the Aromasin.

Okay Perfect! i'm just confused about the PCT? must he run another entire PCT? he last cycled in Aug / Sept last year. then he finished a successful PCT in March 2015. He's done nothing else since then. just using natural test boosters.

No PCT sorry dude. As above, start with Arimidex @0.1mg ED and run the Aromasin for 30 days and that's the end of it. Apologies, if anything is confusing please ask.

Pyroclasm wrote: No PCT sorry dude. As above, start with Arimidex @0.1mg ED and run the Aromasin for 30 days and that's the end of it. Apologies, if anything is confusing please ask.

Perfect! got it captain Pyro! thanks so much bru! you are a life saver!

just so we are clear > so no letro?

Nada.

Howzit guys...

Yeah, i'm back on this, trying to find a way forward for this oak.. ran the Aromasin for a month. lump and soreness is slightly better but very slight. not much improvement at all!

So I advised him to do bloods and I have posted the results... he says has very little Libido and not much sex drive. gym is going strong and his moods are good. I personally don't think his levels are too bad. perhaps he just needs more time?

He was surprised I was so relieved with the blood work results, so I think that will change his mind set about this whole thing, which helps a lot.

MA, Bro, if you see this post, PLEASE can you give your thoughts / comments on a way forward? what about him running a low dose of Clomid?


He's taking every test booster available - ZMA, DAA, Testo blend from SA Supps, etc, etc...

Please help a brother out here! it must be the most scary thing to think you may never fully recover and loose your manhood! Eish!

Did you run Arimidex along with the Aromasin as requested above? You should have tested prolactin, FSH, TSH, T4, and estradiol too my bud otherwise we won't know what's wrong with him.

Pyroclasm wrote: Did you run Arimidex along with the Aromasin as requested above? You should have tested prolactin, FSH, TSH, T4, and estradiol too my bud otherwise we won't know what's wrong with him.

Hey Pyro.. yeah he ran the Arimidex for a week until the Aromasin arrived and then for another two days after that as well. He still has Arimidex on hand I could put him on it again?

Okay perfect, i'll get him to have the above blood work done ASAP and then post them! thanks so much Bru!

Go with what Pyro has suggested. Since he got gyno months after PCT then his T:E ratio is not right. Superdrol is also known to cause delayed gyno post cycle due to it's metabolites which are progrestins. Did he use it?

His LH is normal so I wouldn't bother with clomid/nolva. Sure, it would boost LH higher and be a temporary solution but with LH at 4 his total T should be higher. It will improve with an AI. Libido could take a while to sort out though being on a relatively high dose of AI.

Muscleaddict wrote: Go with what Pyro has suggested. Since he got gyno months after PCT then his T:E ratio is not right. Superdrol is also known to cause delayed gyno post cycle due to it's metabolites which are progrestins. Did he use it?

His LH is normal so I wouldn't bother with clomid/nolva. Sure, it would boost LH higher and be a temporary solution but with LH at 4 his total T should be higher. It will improve with an AI. Libido could take a while to sort out though being on a relatively high dose of AI.

Thanks for the reply MA. He ran Equi and test cyp for his last cycle hey. Don't think he has ever used Superdrol.

Oaky, so should I get him started on Arimidex at 0.2mg ED? or should he run Letro again? The letro works really well and the only side he gets is the low Libido. But seems as soon as you stop the letro the gyno creeps back and I imagine that's cause his test is low.

Sorry if I sound dumb with all this stuff, I kinda am. this is when it gets lank complicated.

The reason the gyno comes back is because he already has some fibrous breast tissue growth. When he has normal estrogen levels the tissue responds to the presence of E2 and swells up. Kill the E2 with an AI and it will get smaller just like a women's boobs shrink if they take steroids that lower their estrogen.

I would go with letro over adex.

Muscleaddict wrote: The reason the gyno comes back is because he already has some fibrous breast tissue growth. When he has normal estrogen levels the tissue responds to the presence of E2 and swells up. Kill the E2 with an AI and it will get smaller just like a women's boobs shrink if they take steroids that lower their estrogen.

I would go with letro over adex.

Perfect, thank you so much for your help MA. I'm gonna also try get him to do the bloods Pyro suggested this weekend and then perhaps post them if they look way out.

Mornings guys...

MA, Pyro.. please have a look at this blood work and let me know what you think?

Thanks so much!

Regards,
R

Bloods look great really he should be happy. Thyroid also working great. If he has breast tissue then that level E2 should still affect it. You really need to get him on Aromasin to keep this level down low until the lump is gone. If this is his E2 levels after a lot of AI usage then I can understand why he had problems.