Legalise steroids or the death penalty?

Thread title says it all really, just wanna run a poll and have a discussion to see what the forum in general values most: freedom or security?

I'm voting for steroids. I dream of being able to purchase tren along with all my other grocery needs at my local PnP


Just a quick note, I realise that this is a touchy subject for some so I ask that we all go about this maturely but also realise that this bill wont actually be passed anytime soon so lets not get too uptight and serious. This is just an internet discussion afterall

Both brother!

steroids are not useful to everyone in society,so a little old granny will have no use picking them up at pick and pay for instance,how ever any one and everyone can be affected by murders,rapists and thieves,i go for the death penalty over steroids being legal 365days of the year...

I don't agree with legalizing steroids. But u have my vote on the death penalty

My vote goes to bringing back the death penalty for first degree murders... I would even like to see the death penalty for serial rapists, but old Jacob will not like that last one too much... lol

I'm more worried about landing on death row for not having a TV license though.

I have no interest in legalizing steroids as I agree with DJ and also think that we will have a much better country once we can start enjoying our lives in a safe place and not constantly being worried when the wife goes shopping alone.

DJ wrote: steroids are not useful to everyone in society,so a little old granny will have no use picking them up at pick and pay for instance,how ever any one and everyone can be affected by murders,rapists and thieves,i go for the death penalty over steroids being legal 365days of the year...

Fair enough but implementing the death penalty will bring its own issues. Will judges be less inclined to sentence people guilty to cleanse their own conscience? Will murder charges be lessened (to the 2nd degree) so that there are few executions? In the states inmates on death row are usually only executed 15-20 years after they were convicted, how much solace does that offer to a grieving family?

MCJ wrote: I don't agree with legalizing steroids. But u have my vote on the death penalty

You dont agree with legalizing steroids full stop or do you just choose the death penalty in this case?

Dude there is a death penalty in SA you go to jail and you get raped .
But this death penalty just takes time to kill.

Deadgoat wrote: Fair enough but implementing the death penalty will bring its own issues. Will judges be less inclined to sentence people guilty to cleanse their own conscience? Will murder charges be lessened (to the 2nd degree) so that there are few executions? In the states inmates on death row are usually only executed 15-20 years after they were convicted, how much solace does that offer to a grieving family?

I don't think the death penalty will provide any comfort to the family of a murder victim, but it will definitely discourage murderers from killing left, right and center. Currently people are killed for ridiculous things like money, cars and even road rage.

Once the death penalty is brought back these kinds of murders will become far less frequent.

I agree that the death penalty will bring its own set of issues, but it's nothing new and I'm sure death sentences will not be handed out to someone unless he/she really is not able to function in society once rehabilitated.

Deadgoat wrote:

DJ wrote: steroids are not useful to everyone in society,so a little old granny will have no use picking them up at pick and pay for instance,how ever any one and everyone can be affected by murders,rapists and thieves,i go for the death penalty over steroids being legal 365days of the year...

Fair enough but implementing the death penalty will bring its own issues. Will judges be less inclined to sentence people guilty to cleanse their own conscience? Will murder charges be lessened (to the 2nd degree) so that there are few executions? In the states inmates on death row are usually only executed 15-20 years after they were convicted, how much solace does that offer to a grieving family?

MCJ wrote: I don't agree with legalizing steroids. But u have my vote on the death penalty

You dont agree with legalizing steroids full stop or do you just choose the death penalty in this case?

Lol don't agree full stop mate

admin wrote: I don't think the death penalty will provide any comfort to the family of a murder victim, but it will definitely discourage murderers from killing left, right and center. Currently people are killed for ridiculous things like money, cars and even road rage.

Once the death penalty is brought back these kinds of murders will become far less frequent.

I agree that the death penalty will bring its own set of issues, but it's nothing new and I'm sure death sentences will not be handed out to someone unless he/she really is not able to function in society once rehabilitated.

The capital crimes rate in the US is bloody high inspite of having a death penalty, I doubt it would work well as a deterrent. Only way crime can ever be eradicated is through education and eleviation of poverty. If people aren't hungry they wont have reason to kill for food.

Keeping inmates on deathrow for all those years costs millions, millions that could be spent on housing and education. I would much rather we relax the gun ownership laws w.r.t. to defending yourself and your property.

MCJ wrote: Lol don't agree full stop mate

lol what? You mind explaining this mate?

Deadgoat wrote:

MCJ wrote: Lol don't agree full stop mate

lol what? You mind explaining this mate?

Its more of a moral thing. Steroids in the hands of the wrong ppl can be a dangerous thing. Steroid use and abuse is already a problem in schools etc, so why make it worse? What's the point in legalising steroids use if its illegal and not sanctioned by international sporting committees. Can u imagine the impact it will have on ppl who know nothing about steroids who just snatch it from a shelf in a pharmacy? Using steroids whilst on depression medication etc can make things terribly complicated, ask me I know. Legalising it would just cause a huge misuse and abuse of very powerful and potentially dangerous hormones.

That's how I feel about it. Besides I enjoy the whole "illegal" thing around it.

MCJ wrote: Its more of a moral thing. Steroids in the hands of the wrong ppl can be a dangerous thing. Steroid use and abuse is already a problem in schools etc, so why make it worse? What's the point in legalising steroids use if its illegal and not sanctioned by international sporting committees. Can u imagine the impact it will have on ppl who know nothing about steroids who just snatch it from a shelf in a pharmacy? Using steroids whilst on depression medication etc can make things terribly complicated, ask me I know. Legalising it would just cause a huge misuse and abuse of very powerful and potentially dangerous hormones.

That's how I feel about it. Besides I enjoy the whole "illegal" thing around it.

You raise some very good points there. Now what if we impose a sin-tax on steroids? If you replace the word "steroids" with "alcohol" in your previous post it makes just as much sense

Deadgoat wrote:

admin wrote: I don't think the death penalty will provide any comfort to the family of a murder victim, but it will definitely discourage murderers from killing left, right and center. Currently people are killed for ridiculous things like money, cars and even road rage.

Once the death penalty is brought back these kinds of murders will become far less frequent.

I agree that the death penalty will bring its own set of issues, but it's nothing new and I'm sure death sentences will not be handed out to someone unless he/she really is not able to function in society once rehabilitated.

The capital crimes rate in the US is bloody high inspite of having a death penalty, I doubt it would work well as a deterrent. Only way crime can ever be eradicated is through education and eleviation of poverty. If people aren't hungry they wont have reason to kill for food.

Keeping inmates on deathrow for all those years costs millions, millions that could be spent on housing and education. I would much rather we relax the gun ownership laws w.r.t. to defending yourself and your property.

It's still much lower than here though and not all states even have the death penalty. I don't think America deserves to be used as an example of the "perfect" nation at all. I dislike the average American's mentality, but don't want to go into more detail.

Poverty is no excuse for killing or stealing. Killing no matter what your finial status or race should be punished the same way. I know many people that don't have food to eat, but still they do not steal or kill. They receive help from churches or hospices and that is available to any South African.

admin wrote:
It's still much lower than here though and not all states even have the death penalty. I don't think America deserves to be used as an example of the "perfect" nation at all. I dislike the average American's mentality, but don't want to go into more detail.

Poverty is no excuse for killing or stealing. Killing no matter what your finial status or race should be punished the same way. I know many people that don't have food to eat, but still they do not steal or kill. They receive help from churches or hospices and that is available to any South African.

Agree with you that being poor shouldn't drive one to commit crimes. Africa is full of dirt poor countries yet they don't have insane crime rates, but having said that we can't ignore the fact that economics is a major contributing factor towards some crimes. Problem is most of the killings that occur rarely involve theft, its usually just plain old murder. These type of people deserve the chair.

And what about alcohol and drugs? Its no secret that most of these crimes are commited by people who are intoxicated. The day the government decides to ban liquor will be the day I stand in a long ass line to vote. Thousands of people die on our roads due to drunken murderers who either get off on technicalities or only get 5 years at the most. These people deserve the chair just as much as the gangsters who walk around terrorising our streets

I lived in the times when there was still a death penalty in South Africa.

The front door was hardly ever locked, no walls or burglar bars, keys in car in driveway, car unlocked and windows open at cafe. No house break ins and no murders. Cant remember robberies, armed or armoured car. well almost..... Andre Stander robbed banks.

Def death penalty.
The majority of prisons are ruled by gangs here, and as such the prisons pretty much become their "training centres", so to speak.
Anabolics are relatively easy to get your hands on anyway, and the introduction of the death penalty would make me feel a lot safer walking the streets.

I've seen a lot of murders in my valley. Mostly farm murders. No food, money or anything was taken. Just brutal, savage killing for fun. Some of the murders don't even make the local papers, nevermind Beeld or Rapport.

Caught for stealing - hand shud be cut off and jail time
Caught for rape - ur cock shud be chopped off and long jail time
Caught for Murder - Death

Crime starts from petty crime that escalates to higher things stop petty crime and u will stop major crimes.

i have to agree here. death to those who deserve. and no waiting 20 yrs. case must be done in 6 months. we have murder cases going 2-4 yrs and they have not gone to trial yet. wat about the families that have lost their loved ones. no no no! not a fcuk! if u do the crime u must go. im pay enuf tax as it is and i dont wanna be paying so these murderers can live at the holiday inn prison! bull! if these mofos wanna come hurt me or my fmily i am gonna tk them out! no questions asked cause the law here in SA def dont protect the innocent!

As much as i would like to steroids to be legal , i have to say death penalty

Would also go for death penalty.

Can you imagine if roids were legal how many uninformed people would have used it without proper research? I think roids will get a very bad stigma (worse then now) if legalized- cause allot of guys are going to hurt themselves badly.

Now it is still a mission to get gear- and you have to read up on all aspects in your journey to get to the right channels.

Id prefer neither, I don't believe any of us have the right to take another life regardless of the crime, secondly hows about being wrongfully arrested and being put on deathrow..

But thats my 2 cents.

SNOK1986 wrote: Caught for stealing - hand shud be cut off and jail time
Caught for rape - ur cock shud be chopped off and long jail time
Caught for Murder - Death

Crime starts from petty crime that escalates to higher things stop petty crime and u will stop major crimes.

Agree 100% with all of the above, google shariah law it basically imposes all of your above suggestions

@JR, times have changed bud, we no longer live in the 1950s

@00pump, neither? We know you love fence-sitting but come on now, you really don't want gear legalised? Same reasons as MCJ I assume?

And w.r.t. not having a right to kill others, well even religion preaches "an eye for an eye"

Deadgoat wrote: ...
@JR, times have changed bud, we no longer live in the 1950s

...And w.r.t. not having a right to kill others, well even religion preaches "an eye for an eye"

What changed DeadGoat? Dont worry that was rhetorical.....

Christianity doesnt preach revenge - quite the opposite.