ketogenic diet

Hey guys, starting my diet in about two weeks but there's a few questions I have.
my plan is to follow a ketogenic diet but I wanna add in some heat and clenbuterol, however the extra caffeine in heat will result increased insulin production which is not very beneficial to the diet.
so firstly I would like to know if there is a way to incorporate the clen and the heat into this diet?
and whether or not I should just keep to the tried and trusted calorie restricted diet without getting too fancy with ketosis?
Thanx boys!!!

Where did you read or hear that caffeine will result in an increased insulin production! This doesn't sound right to me. I know its a problem in individuals with diabetes, whereby the caffeine reduces insulin sensitivity but since your carbs will be restricted while taking clen and Heat i dont see a problem.

I dont think you need to stick to the calorie restictions, as most of the calories will come from fat (replacing carb in the diet).. Im not saying go over board though. You should get some ketone sticks (the dual ones that measure blood sugar are even better but harder to get)and this will allow you to see how far into ketosis you are. You can get them at a pharmacy.

how many grams of protein and fat are u having a day and what do your fat sources look like?

Jayman wrote:

however the extra caffeine in heat will result increased insulin production which is not very beneficial to the diet.
so firstly I would like to know if there is a way to incorporate the clen and the heat into this diet?
and whether or not I should just keep to the tried and trusted calorie restricted diet without getting too fancy with ketosis?
Thanx boys!!!

It's true not only will caffeine increase insulin by raising blood sugar but it blocks the enzyme phosphodiesterase, which prolongs the action of insulin.

When it comes to ketosis, i wouldn't worry about the caffeine. I'm a serious caffeine addict and i still managed to lose over 1kg a week, doing the ketogenic diet w/caffeine and 3x moderate 20mins cardio sessions a week.

Try it for yourself. If you find that your weight loss plateus then watch the calories (whilst still doing the ketogenic diet) and bump up the cardio.

Be prepared though the first 3 days of a ketogenic diet is hell, but that will pass. Sugarfree Redbull is your best friend in those first few days.

Caffeine may hamper blood sugar control, but most probably only in guys with diabetets.

@djeasye
I plan on taking in about 200g of protein /day and aro8nd 240g of fat.
fat sources are going to be peanut butter, nuts, flaxseed and primrose oil and fish?

You should be careful with regards to nuts, most are still pretty high in carbs

beesting,i have been reading alot about the pulambo diet which is pretty much the a keto diet,the whole thing is there should be no carbs from direct sources like oats would be a direct source yet full cream milk wouldnt even though it contains lactose,does it make sense? so nuts/peanut butter is fine as the protein and fat content is higher than that of the carb content

ok makes sense thanx alot dj and you too beesting.
just checked out the palumbo diet. looks a little hardcore and I'm def gonna have to stock up on the whey!! lol but gonna give this a try

the Dave Palumbo diet

MEAL #1 5 whole eggs (OMEGA-3 EGGS ); add another 4 egg whites to this

MEAL #2 SHAKE: 50g Whey Protein with 1 ? tablespoon of All Natural Peanut butter (no sugar)....

MEAL #3 "Lean Protein Meal": 8oz chicken with 1/3-cup cashew nuts (almonds, or walnuts)

MEAL #4 SHAKE: 50g Whey Protein with 1 ? tablespoons of All Natural Peanut butter (no sugar added

MEAL #5 "Fatty Protein Meal": 8oz Salmon, Swordfish, or RED MEAT with a green salad (no tomatoes, carrots, or red peppers) with 1 tablespoon of Olive Oil or Macadamia nut oil and vinegar..

MEAL #6 SHAKE: 50g Whey with 1 ? tablespoon all natural peanut butter or 4 whole (Omega-3) eggs and 4 extra whites..


considering that this is exactly what I'll be having everyday how should I cycle the heat and the clen?
Thanx agaion for all the help

what works for this diet is a yohimbine based fat burner like wasp,as yohimbine is not that effective with a carbohydrate full diet(thats my opinion) so wasp would be a good one to use...

djeasye wrote:

beesting,i have been reading alot about the pulambo diet which is pretty much the a keto diet,the whole thing is there should be no carbs from direct sources like oats would be a direct source yet full cream milk wouldnt even though it contains lactose,does it make sense? so nuts/peanut butter is fine as the protein and fat content is higher than that of the carb content

I get what you are saying with regards to the fat:protein:carb ratio but in order to go into ketosis, you need to limit carbs to approximately 20g/day. These carbs should be spread throughout the day and lactose from milk is only going to contribute a small amount of carbs/100ml to the total carb count. Peanut butter is fairly low in carb, especially the yum yum sugar free one, but it still has 5.5g carb/tablespoon. Thats already a quarter of of the total carbs per day.

ok guys I think I got it
I'll try stick below 20g carbs/day with the above mentioned grams of protein and fat.
Should I throw in a cheat meal to replenish glycogen levels on the weekends or try go without? also last que, can I keep all my other supps as they are?
1. pre-workout (0 calories)
2. BCAA and glutamine mix during my workout
3. novadex xt
4. glutamine
5. casein protein
6. zma
thanx a million

The diet is fully effective when followed for a minimum of two weeks so dont have a cheat day within the first two weeks. I would maybe have a cheat meal after three weeks though or just raise my carb intake to 25-30g per day. Remember that after your cheat day, its not easy switching the metabolism back to ketosis like when you start out. So again the first 2-3days are hell all over again

awesome lady beesting, much appreciated
now is the cheat day like a balls to the wall eateverythinginsight hehe or just up the carbs a little to sufficiently replenish glycogen levels?

You dont want to go insane so just up the glycogen levels. I think that on the days you cheat and restore glycogen levels, I would keep the fat intake low. Eat the things you cut out the diet like potatoes and rice, dont go eat sweets and rubbish but a few blocks of chocolate wont do any harm. You dont need simple carbs to come off ketosis, as much as 50g complex carbs will already take you off.

I did this diet many years ago so I do have experience with regards to the advice Im giving. My brother has also done the diet and has had great results even when coming off the diet by introducing carbs slowly and ones that are low GI

or why don't you just order a fast metabolism like mine?

my brothers are on 6% bodyfat and they 22 years old, they eat close on a loaf of bread a day... only 1 gyms (to help him not look like stick man) and the other doesn't but regardless they just shredded... i've also anything i put on is stricly muscle....

pump you little genetic freak lol
thanx so much beesting I really appreciate this.
still lots more research to do but I feel now I'm on the right track

I see you have Novadex XT in there. I thought they stopped bringing that in cause of the bloody medical control council?

no bud still available at pretty much every dis-chem hey
awesome stuff by the way

mmm how much is it costing at dischem nowadays?

600 bucks hey
oh and beesting one more que about the keto diet.
is the high carb days simply to help maintain intensity during training or does it help shift
you into a more anabolic state also?
coz if it's simply to maintain intensity I was thinking of staying in ketosis permanently to maximise fat loss?

The thing with the ketogenic diet is that over the weeks there is a slower reduction in fat loss so the carb days are to shift between the metabolic pathways as well as to load up glycogen levels so your body never becomes comfortable with what its doing and so it wont slack. I personally dont think the carb days are necessary until weeks later, from my experience. I reckon stay on the diet for six weeks and see what results you get. I would be strict for a minimum of 4 weeks with 20 g carb and week five increase carbs to between 25-30g (per day) and week six add in another five g per day. I really think you should get the keto sticks because you can see what an increase of 5g carb is doing to your ketone levels as the sticks give you a range with regards to the level of ketosis

Howzit guys, OK, so I am going to ask this question?

What about Fibre? We need fibre to keep us regular (bowel movements) so what do you take to keep you regular?

Best way I could ask it...

Beesting wrote:

The thing with the ketogenic diet is that over the weeks there is a slower reduction in fat loss so the carb days are to shift between the metabolic pathways as well as to load up glycogen levels so your body never becomes comfortable with what its doing and so it wont slack. I personally dont think the carb days are necessary until weeks later, from my experience. I reckon stay on the diet for six weeks and see what results you get. I would be strict for a minimum of 4 weeks with 20 g carb and week five increase carbs to between 25-30g (per day) and week six add in another five g per day. I really think you should get the keto sticks because you can see what an increase of 5g carb is doing to your ketone levels as the sticks give you a range with regards to the level of ketosis

I agree, having cheat meals and carb loading is playing a dangerous game when doing a ketogenic diet. If you have too many carbs you'll knock yourself out of ketosis and you will lose 3 days of fat burning. You'll also find yourself dreaming of pizza and chocolate, when your next meal is supposed to be back to tuna and olive oil. The longer you stay off carbs, the more you break sugar/serotonin addiction. After a month you won't even want to cheat.


Saizen wrote:

Howzit guys, OK, so I am going to ask this question?

What about Fibre? We need fibre to keep us regular (bowel movements) so what do you take to keep you regular?

Best way I could ask it...

Yes, a fibre supplement is usually needed in the first week or two as your body adjusts to a ketogenic diet. Get some Psyllium husk.

thought so, just wondered if it contained too many carbs, but it really is minimal...great stuff that.