PGW ECA vs ECY

hi all

just deciding between these 2. any reviews pls. thanks

I personally struggle with ECA - makes me feel terrible. Extremely light headed to the point where it does not feel safe. I do not handle it well at all, ironically I can goto 120mcg of clen minor side effects compared to others and Yohimbine isn't all that strong for me either.

That being said, I gave my friend some ECA I had laying around recently and it was working really well for him - he then moved over to the PGW ECA and one again it has been working very well for him.

ECY I assume is Ephedrine, Caffeine & Yohimbine.
ECA being Ephedrine, Caffeine & Aspirin.

The aspirin prevents norepinephrine levels from decreasing, therefore helps prolong the stimulation effects of the ephedrine & caffeine.
If the ECY stack does not have aspirin, might be worth while adding some.

I believe yohimbine works best when you are in a fasted state as well, something to keep in mind.

thank you for the reply. the ECA works well for me. gives me that 4am boost to work out.

any idea which is more powerful? the ECY has aspirin in it as well. PGW is a trusted brand so leading towards that but the ECY seems to have more stuff in it

DIESEL wrote: thank you for the reply. the ECA works well for me. gives me that 4am boost to work out.

any idea which is more powerful? the ECY has aspirin in it as well. PGW is a trusted brand so leading towards that but the ECY seems to have more stuff in it

See if you are able to get the actual amounts of the actives per capsule to see which has more of what in it, if it is much of a muchness with the ECY just having yohimibine as well then I say go for that one.

Alternatively LP make some decent yohimbine, however that is then an additional cost and an extra capsule or two to take.

PGW ECA with Liquid Pharmaceuticals Yohimbine. Sorted.

DIESEL wrote: hi all

just deciding between these 2. any reviews pls. thanks

Just ordered PGW ECA myself. Going to be the first time trying this. Excited to see how it is going to affect me. I would say I am stimulant sensitive so will see what 1 cap does and move forward every 5 days or so if possible.

I used the ECY earlier this year, and wow, it's just incredible! I paired it with intermittent fasting (yohimbine has to work on an empty stomach) and about 30mins/day cardio at >160 bpm ....

I lost 10 cm on my waist while retaining most of my lean muscle mass elsewhere.... And the mental stimulation from the E is just awesome, certainly disliked stopping the cycle but looking forward to the next one!

Play the dosage by ear, I found the first week was OK with one tab, week 2-4 was 2 tabs... Just drink loads of fluid, you'll sweat like a pig and won't notice that you're dehydrating - and that's not a good place to be.

BeastBiceps wrote:

DIESEL wrote: hi all

just deciding between these 2. any reviews pls. thanks

Just ordered PGW ECA myself. Going to be the first time trying this. Excited to see how it is going to affect me. I would say I am stimulant sensitive so will see what 1 cap does and move forward every 5 days or so if possible.

answer shit when you know what you talking about. At a certain weight it won't do shit so pls be specific tiny biceps.

It's annoying offering advice when you know f all. Can see from your posts boy. Read more offer less advice.

You know what.
Done with this little biceps.
Fucking kids...

FIllet wrote:

BeastBiceps wrote:

DIESEL wrote: hi all

just deciding between these 2. any reviews pls. thanks

Just ordered PGW ECA myself. Going to be the first time trying this. Excited to see how it is going to affect me. I would say I am stimulant sensitive so will see what 1 cap does and move forward every 5 days or so if possible.

answer shit when you know what you talking about. At a certain weight it won't do shit so pls be specific tiny biceps.

Sorry, am I missing something? Did I give advice about taking it at a certain weight? Name calling and some childish rage that you had to make 3 posts to make an argument that does not exist. Are you trying to cause some drama or draw attention?

BeastBiceps wrote:

FIllet wrote:

BeastBiceps wrote:

DIESEL wrote: hi all

just deciding between these 2. any reviews pls. thanks

Just ordered PGW ECA myself. Going to be the first time trying this. Excited to see how it is going to affect me. I would say I am stimulant sensitive so will see what 1 cap does and move forward every 5 days or so if possible.

answer shit when you know what you talking about. At a certain weight it won't do shit so pls be specific tiny biceps.

Sorry, am I missing something? Did I give advice about taking it at a certain weight? Name calling and some childish rage that you had to make 3 posts to make an argument that does not exist. Are you trying to cause some drama or draw attention?

Apologies I had a moment for a good reason but certainly not at the right person OR in the right place - it happens and I did apologize for it.
It is what it is so... sorry mate.

FIllet wrote:

BeastBiceps wrote:

FIllet wrote:

BeastBiceps wrote:

DIESEL wrote: hi all

just deciding between these 2. any reviews pls. thanks

Just ordered PGW ECA myself. Going to be the first time trying this. Excited to see how it is going to affect me. I would say I am stimulant sensitive so will see what 1 cap does and move forward every 5 days or so if possible.

answer shit when you know what you talking about. At a certain weight it won't do shit so pls be specific tiny biceps.

Sorry, am I missing something? Did I give advice about taking it at a certain weight? Name calling and some childish rage that you had to make 3 posts to make an argument that does not exist. Are you trying to cause some drama or draw attention?

Apologies I had a moment for a good reason but certainly not at the right person OR in the right place - it happens and I did apologize for it.
It is what it is so... sorry mate.

It takes a real man to apologize like you did! Fully understand and much appreciated. Respect

Plus 1 for no hard feelings bud. Sorry for derailing all...

+1 to beast from me as well. Handled well gents

I don't want to bash any brand but in all honest I don't know why anything is called "E*".. I wonder what is actually being used. None of these E** whatever they called do I believe contain ephedrine. All the ones I have tried over the last few years have felt like some sort of reuptake inhibitor not a proper CNS stimulant like ephedrine. So I actually refuse to put any of that crap in my body until I know exactly what ingredients are being used, my wild guess is 'sibutramine', but I could be very wrong. But the other reason I'm not impressed is that if it is 'sibutramine' and someone is using a MAO inhibitor their is going to be shit.

Rooi Bul 86 wrote: PGW ECA with Liquid Pharmaceuticals Yohimbine. Sorted.

Maybe this is a stupid question. Do we know what is in, except the ephedrine, caffeine and aspirin, the PGW ECA proprietary blend? Since it is not stated on the label.

I spoke to a gent that works directly with them. PGW is an awesome brand don't get me wrong but it does not contain Ephedrine, none of them do. 20 years ago it was easy to come by and you could have the most amazing workout from it.
You will feel Ephadrine straight away, I felt nothing on the PGW ECA.

FIllet wrote: I spoke to a gent that works directly with them. PGW is an awesome brand don't get me wrong but it does not contain Ephedrine, none of them do. 20 years ago it was easy to come by and you could have the most amazing workout from it.
You will feel Ephadrine straight away, I felt nothing on the PGW ECA.

Thanks for the feedback. So I assume then no aspirin either. What you saying make sense though since they do not mentioned ephedrine or any ingredient although the name does kinda give off the assumption it should.... :silly:

Did the gent mention what was in it though?

I took my first dose this morning with my HD labs T3 (was using ciccone T3 but think it was underdosed or simple not T3) and man it hit me, in a nice way though. Took BP and HR was all elevated and was getting sweats, feeling the thermogenic effects. Did some house cleaning with my fiance and the sweat was dripping all over lol had to wipe me down multiple times.

So not sure if it is due to the T3 being legit vs what I had or the PGW ECA or even both doing their thing. No tremors or shakes or any "bad" effects like I got with Clen, which is just not for me being sensitive. Never had to take any form of a "fat burner" as I was lucky enough to stay lean with just training when I was younger. This was me at age 18. Was 92kg, 176cm. After my injury and just shit happening it was a struggle to stay on track. Now 8 Years later I am moving in the right direction but how some extra BF to drop. Current weight is 124kg. Obviously a lot bigger now but not close to that low BF %....

FIllet wrote: I spoke to a gent that works directly with them. PGW is an awesome brand don't get me wrong but it does not contain Ephedrine, none of them do. 20 years ago it was easy to come by and you could have the most amazing workout from it.
You will feel Ephadrine straight away, I felt nothing on the PGW ECA.

PGW best injections, but I'm pretty certain their product does not contain ephedrine and it ticks me off that the ingredient is not disclosed. And if it's using certain chemicals it could have severe reaction with other medication.. If I take test, anavar, yohimbine, clen you name it I know what it will do to me, but this priority blend shit I don't recommend anyone using it... And I'm the type of person to push the boundaries with just about anything and everyone, but not if I could land up in the ER and not be able to tell the Dr what I have consumed.. When I used to get updated what was in this stuff I would vouch knowing what the active ingredients where if I considered them safe based upon a person by person basis, but not a chance will I advise this stuff to anyone.

00pump wrote:

FIllet wrote: I spoke to a gent that works directly with them. PGW is an awesome brand don't get me wrong but it does not contain Ephedrine, none of them do. 20 years ago it was easy to come by and you could have the most amazing workout from it.
You will feel Ephadrine straight away, I felt nothing on the PGW ECA.

PGW best injections, but I'm pretty certain their product does not contain ephedrine and it ticks me off that the ingredient is not disclosed. And if it's using certain chemicals it could have severe reaction with other medication.. If I take test, anavar, yohimbine, clen you name it I know what it will do to me, but this priority blend shit I don't recommend anyone using it... And I'm the type of person to push the boundaries with just about anything and everyone, but not if I could land up in the ER and not be able to tell the Dr what I have consumed.. When I used to get updated what was in this stuff I would vouch knowing what the active ingredients where if I considered them safe based upon a person by person basis, but not a chance will I advise this stuff to anyone.

Probably poor on my half but never used their or any ECA before thus assumed the PGW ECA would be the standard ephedrine, caffeine and aspirin combo we all know. When I received on did not see the ingredients listed is when I realized and asked the question. You made very valid points 00pump and it is a reality. Hopefully someone can shed some light on what their "blend" consists.

BeastBiceps wrote:

00pump wrote:

FIllet wrote: I spoke to a gent that works directly with them. PGW is an awesome brand don't get me wrong but it does not contain Ephedrine, none of them do. 20 years ago it was easy to come by and you could have the most amazing workout from it.
You will feel Ephadrine straight away, I felt nothing on the PGW ECA.

PGW best injections, but I'm pretty certain their product does not contain ephedrine and it ticks me off that the ingredient is not disclosed. And if it's using certain chemicals it could have severe reaction with other medication.. If I take test, anavar, yohimbine, clen you name it I know what it will do to me, but this priority blend shit I don't recommend anyone using it... And I'm the type of person to push the boundaries with just about anything and everyone, but not if I could land up in the ER and not be able to tell the Dr what I have consumed.. When I used to get updated what was in this stuff I would vouch knowing what the active ingredients where if I considered them safe based upon a person by person basis, but not a chance will I advise this stuff to anyone.

Probably poor on my half but never used their or any ECA before thus assumed the PGW ECA would be the standard ephedrine, caffeine and aspirin combo we all know. When I received on did not see the ingredients listed is when I realized and asked the question. You made very valid points 00pump and it is a reality. Hopefully someone can shed some light on what their "blend" consists.

Real ephedrine normally shows up as a false positive on the one drug test kit I have, all the ECA I have tried since the old HEAT have been off the mark even HEAT said theirs contained ephedrine but their latest release did not.

00pump wrote:

BeastBiceps wrote:

00pump wrote:

FIllet wrote: I spoke to a gent that works directly with them. PGW is an awesome brand don't get me wrong but it does not contain Ephedrine, none of them do. 20 years ago it was easy to come by and you could have the most amazing workout from it.
You will feel Ephadrine straight away, I felt nothing on the PGW ECA.

PGW best injections, but I'm pretty certain their product does not contain ephedrine and it ticks me off that the ingredient is not disclosed. And if it's using certain chemicals it could have severe reaction with other medication.. If I take test, anavar, yohimbine, clen you name it I know what it will do to me, but this priority blend shit I don't recommend anyone using it... And I'm the type of person to push the boundaries with just about anything and everyone, but not if I could land up in the ER and not be able to tell the Dr what I have consumed.. When I used to get updated what was in this stuff I would vouch knowing what the active ingredients where if I considered them safe based upon a person by person basis, but not a chance will I advise this stuff to anyone.

Probably poor on my half but never used their or any ECA before thus assumed the PGW ECA would be the standard ephedrine, caffeine and aspirin combo we all know. When I received on did not see the ingredients listed is when I realized and asked the question. You made very valid points 00pump and it is a reality. Hopefully someone can shed some light on what their "blend" consists.

Real ephedrine normally shows up as a false positive on the one drug test kit I have, all the ECA I have tried since the old HEAT have been off the mark even HEAT said theirs contained ephedrine but their latest release did not.

They would not add DNP or anything like that in it without stating it, would they?

BeastBiceps wrote:

FIllet wrote: I spoke to a gent that works directly with them. PGW is an awesome brand don't get me wrong but it does not contain Ephedrine, none of them do. 20 years ago it was easy to come by and you could have the most amazing workout from it.
You will feel Ephadrine straight away, I felt nothing on the PGW ECA.

Thanks for the feedback. So I assume then no aspirin either. What you saying make sense though since they do not mentioned ephedrine or any ingredient although the name does kinda give off the assumption it should.... :silly:

Did the gent mention what was in it though?

I took my first dose this morning with my HD labs T3 (was using ciccone T3 but think it was underdosed or simple not T3) and man it hit me, in a nice way though. Took BP and HR was all elevated and was getting sweats, feeling the thermogenic effects. Did some house cleaning with my fiance and the sweat was dripping all over lol had to wipe me down multiple times.

So not sure if it is due to the T3 being legit vs what I had or the PGW ECA or even both doing their thing. No tremors or shakes or any "bad" effects like I got with Clen, which is just not for me being sensitive. Never had to take any form of a "fat burner" as I was lucky enough to stay lean with just training when I was younger. This was me at age 18. Was 92kg, 176cm. After my injury and just shit happening it was a struggle to stay on track. Now 8 Years later I am moving in the right direction but how some extra BF to drop. Current weight is 124kg. Obviously a lot bigger now but not close to that low BF %....

I would like to add that HD Labs T3 is dosed @50mcg which is quite high.

Dont think they will add something like DNP and not mention it,as it would result in a lot of "cooked meat".