2nd Cycle

Hey Guys, new here, anyway i'm currently at the half way mark of my Test Cyp and Dbol cycle and was thinking about my second cycle. I was thinking about a Test Blend + Nandrolone Decanoate cycle, would this be good for a second cycle? Any input would be appreciated.

Deca for a second cycle is not advisable rather in a 3-4 cycle.Why not go for 750mg test cyp frontloaded with oral turinabol.

Test cyp @ 750mg-12 weeks
Oral turinabol @60-80mg- 4-6weeks

You can add some proviron.
Winstrol for a bridge.

Pct
clomid
nolva
HCG

AI-letro or adex

just remember to take a rest period before cycling again.

Why is deca not advisable for a second cycle? How is turinabol in terms of gyno?

its a very harsh substance and hits the libido hard.a proper pct must be run after it.gyno is also a risk with deca.Oral turinabol wont give you gyno.its also better than dbol with less water.

What is your first cycle dosage wise, what are your stats, what do you have planned for PCT, and how much time are you taking off after your first cycle?

Inja wrote: What is your first cycle dosage wise, what are your stats, what do you have planned for PCT, and how much time are you taking off after your first cycle?

Dbol 40mg for 25 days
Test Cyp 500mg for 10 weeks

18 years old
Training 4 years (properly)
100kg (before cycle), 105kg (this morning)
185cm
15% bf (before cycle)

Planned PCT is no. 2 from this site

I was planning on taking 2 months off before my next cycle

18 is a bit young to start, I would've adviced you held off till early twenties, and you may have now fused growth plates that were not there yet, and you will never be as big as you could've been. But what is done is done...

Good choice on first cycle, though you didn't have to go as high as 500mg.
I agree that for your second cycle you should just look at hitting the same dose or going a bit higher. Maybe 640 on Super Test or 750 tops.
If you go higher have an AI and 5ARI on hand.

What side effects are you having so far? BP raised? How much water? These all determine how to think about your next cycle.

If you want to stay healthy then 2 months wont cut it... Time on cycle + Time on PCT = Time off cycle

The weight gain you have experienced so far is mostly water from the Dbol. Now is when you will start picking up solid mass. I advise that you make sure your diet is in check so that you put on quality mass for the rest of the cycle.

With someone so young you have the potential to grow without gear still as if you were using, just by getting a good diet and eating shit loads. So ultimately I would like to see you not do a second cycle for a long time still (3years), but I know that once you start it is hard to stop.

How you felt on the Dbol is a good indicator of your estrogen tolerance. If you checked BP and kept an eye on water then you would know this. Unfortunately your bf% was a little high to really see the effect of the water, so try get it lower after your cycle as you will put on a little fat on cycle.

Stick around on this forum and hunt for information. You need to learn a bit more to make sure you stay healthy and get the best out of your gear.
However you sound like you have done a lot of research already with a good first cycle choice and knowledge of abbreviations, so why did you decide to use steroids so young out of interest. Just looking at guys like N3rd and Chapel and other Nattys I forget now is enough to inspire someone to hold off, so why not you?

Just curious bud,

Oh yeah, and welcome to the forum

Inja wrote: 18 is a bit young to start, I would've adviced you held off till early twenties, and you may have now fused growth plates that were not there yet, and you will never be as big as you could've been. But what is done is done...

Good choice on first cycle, though you didn't have to go as high as 500mg.
I agree that for your second cycle you should just look at hitting the same dose or going a bit higher. Maybe 640 on Super Test or 750 tops.
If you go higher have an AI and 5ARI on hand.

What side effects are you having so far? BP raised? How much water? These all determine how to think about your next cycle.

If you want to stay healthy then 2 months wont cut it... Time on cycle + Time on PCT = Time off cycle

Ok I will look in the 500-750mg range. Could you give me some examples of 5ARI drugs please. The only side i'm aware of is slight gyno, fair amount of water from the dbol. I am not planning on using dbol as a frontload for any future cycles, any other compounds you would recommend avoiding for gyno?

Inja wrote: Stick around on this forum and hunt for information. You need to learn a bit more to make sure you stay healthy and get the best out of your gear.
However you sound like you have done a lot of research already with a good first cycle choice and knowledge of abbreviations, so why did you decide to use steroids so young out of interest. Just looking at guys like N3rd and Chapel and other Nattys I forget now is enough to inspire someone to hold off, so why not you?

Just curious bud,

Oh yeah, and welcome to the forum

Ya I have been researching since I was 16 lol, quite a bit of it on this site actually. To be honest I started because I was convinced I was not going to gain much more naturally and I weighed up the pro's vs the con's and from how I saw it there were more pro's combined with my impatience lead to my final decision. I was actually going to start when I was 16 for rugby, after finding out the whole of my first team was on them and my friends who were serious about rugby, gladly decided then not to do them, considering how uneducated I was. Looks like i've already annoyed someone

5-alpha reductase inhibitors if you are prone to DHT sides. Eg Finasteride

If you had slight gyno how did you treat it?

Anything that aromatises is bad for gyno, but Dbol and Anaps are the worst. Tbol doesn't aromatise and is my favourite oral. SuperTest from PGW or Sustanon are great and don't really require a kicker because of the added short esters. You can shoot sust once a week but it is well faked. ST can be shot once but preferably twice a week, for which 1mL E4D will give you 640mg a week. You can also shoot 0.5mL TProp E4D in between ST shots to maximise on the TProp component.

Since you listened to that much I hope you will listen to the other info...
I'm not spurting out my arse bud

Juice wrote: Looks like i've already annoyed someone

Who bro?
It wasn't me

Glad you could hold off for that long at least.

How's your diet and training? You don't want to waste the cycle you're already on.

Inja wrote: 5-alpha reductase inhibitors if you are prone to DHT sides. Eg Finasteride

If you had slight gyno how did you treat it?

Anything that aromatises is bad for gyno, but Dbol and Anaps are the worst. Tbol doesn't aromatise and is my favourite oral. SuperTest from PGW or Sustanon are great and don't really require a kicker because of the added short esters. You can shoot sust once a week but it is well faked. ST can be shot once but preferably twice a week, for which 1mL E4D will give you 640mg a week. You can also shoot 0.5mL TProp E4D in between ST shots to maximise on the TProp component.

Since you listened to that much I hope you will listen to the other info...
I'm not spurting out my arse bud

I'm still using Tamoxifen 40mg ED (2 days left) and Anastrozole 0.4mg ED

Shweet, did you respond? Puffyness and ichyness gone? If it is then you can halve the doses of both.

You will want to stay away from aromatisable compounds on your third cycle when you stack. EQ, Primo, etc are good. For your second cycle you will keep the Tamoxifen on hand, and run the AI from just before the cycle throughout the whole cycle. If you got gyno on 500 you are guarenteed to get it going higher in dosage.

Inja wrote:

Juice wrote: Looks like i've already annoyed someone

Who bro?
It wasn't me

Glad you could hold off for that long at least.

How's your diet and training? You don't want to waste the cycle you're already on.

I just noticed my karma was -1 . Ya me to, at least I started partially educated.

Training is a 3 day split:

Day 1: Chest, Triceps and Shoulders
Day 2: Lats, Back and Biceps
Day 3: Quads, Hams and Calves

Diet: Training Days

Meal 1
4-6 Whole Eggs
60-70g Oats

Meal 2
300-400g Chicken Breast
30-40g Peanut Butter

Meal 3
300-400g Red Meat
30-40g Peanut Butter

Meal 4 (Pre-Bed)
40-50g Casein
30-40g Almonds

Pre-Workout Meal
70-80g Whey Concentrate
60-70g Oats

Post-Workout Meal
70-80g whey Concentrate
50g Dextrose/Maltodextrin

Woah! Hold up bud, why didn't you diet before cycling? Then you could have maximised on the gains you would've gotten on cycle?

Inja wrote: Shweet, did you respond? Puffyness and ichyness gone? If it is then you can halve the doses of both.

You will want to stay away from aromatisable compounds on your third cycle when you stack. EQ, Primo, etc are good. For your second cycle you will keep the Tamoxifen on hand, and run the AI from just before the cycle throughout the whole cycle. If you got gyno on 500 you are guarenteed to get it going higher in dosage.

Response was decent but I was still using the dbol, I finished the dbol yesterday. Itchyness gone, Nipple is still pretty puffy, should I up the Anastrozole dose?

Inja wrote: Woah! Hold up bud, why didn't you diet before cycling? Then you could have maximised on the gains you would've gotten on cycle?

'Diet' as in cut down?

No the puffyness will come down.

In the last post I wasn't remarking on the total cals, just that I don't really grow that well without carbs...

Inja wrote: No the puffyness will come down.

In the last post I wasn't remarking on the total cals, just that I don't really grow that well without carbs...

So should I replace one serving of pb with some more carbs?

Your diet is good for someone so young, got your protein and cals up high... I guess I'm not used to doing it with so much fat that's all. I like to add more rice and potatoes and far less fat. But my body doesn't like fats to much so maybe that's it.

DJ on the other thread is our diet guru

Inja wrote: Your diet is good for someone so young, got your protein and cals up high... I guess I'm not used to doing it with so much fat that's all. I like to add more rice and potatoes and far less fat. But my body doesn't like fats to much so maybe that's it.

DJ on the other thread is our diet guru

O wow, good person to get a response from What is the difference for someone starting a cycle at 18 and say 21? I mean its not like you grow that much between those ages height wise.

I knew a guy who at 18 leaving school was roughly 5cm shorter than me. I met him a couple years later in the gym showers and he was almost a head taller! No joke. But granted that was one guy. It's not so much height though, you broaden out and thicken up in those final years. You can still see many people 'growing' in that time.

You also have tons of testosterone in your blood at that age, enough to really pack on mass fast. Yes steroids are even higher levels but they come with side effect, and the more cycles you do the more risk there is. Everytime you do a cycle you increase the risk of developing prostate cancer, or developing a serious kidney disorder, etc... Since we all no that it's practically impossible to stop once you start, the later you start means the less cycles you will inevitably run, and thus the less at risk you are to these negative health problems...

Much better to gain naturally in that time, then when you hit that natural plateau later on think about a cycle. Once you start cycling to gain mass you unfortunately become dependent on gear to do it, and forget that it was once possible naturally.

Interesting, well as you said what's done is done, impatience is my worst characteristic. Should I get checks done pre and post future cycles? What should I ask for?