3rd cycle 3rd year

DIESEL
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10 Feb 2011 06:48 #60801 by DIESEL

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howzit people

looking at starting my 3rd cycle. wanna put on some good mass now. diet is sorted.
stats. 1.80m 86kg 10%bf 32yrs old

1stcycle was 1mlPGW ST and 1mlEQUI 15 weeks
2nd was PGW 2mlST proviron 10 weeks.

cycle were good. ST by itself not good. liked the first cycle but costly. got good lean muscle and looked good but now wanna size up a bit. actually dropped bit of weight with 1st cycle but that was alot of fat and lean muscle gain so was awesome.

any ideas for a 3 rd cycle? looking at addin deca or tren but bit hestitant cos those can increae gyno related issues.

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Empire
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10 Feb 2011 06:53 #60802 by Empire

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why not look at doing 1ml super test + 1/2ml equi + 1ml test prop twice a week for 10-15 weeks,front load with dbol use proviron through out and winstrol or anavar to end.

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DIESEL
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10 Feb 2011 07:12 #60803 by DIESEL

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sounds good. equi is expensive but i really liked it. i reckon if u gonna save n do a course include equi. the test prop- wat sort of test is this again. short acting? does it put on good size?

i stil got 1 bottle LP winny. will get LP proviron. proviron is awesome during cycle.

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Fakey_AK
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10 Feb 2011 07:26 #60806 by Fakey_AK

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Test Prop is fast acting and the shit. I luv the stuff. No waiting weeks!

Size and weight gain will be more determined by the diet then aas.

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DIESEL
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10 Feb 2011 07:30 #60809 by DIESEL

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k cool. by mixing ST with these other 2 shud negate the 'sick' feeling off using ST alone right? test prop wont add to this affect?
k 3rd cycle lookin good.

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Fakey_AK
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10 Feb 2011 07:41 #60811 by Fakey_AK

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Test P is painless. Adding it to the mix will make no difference. If u add the eq in there then there will be almost no post injection pain. But i personally haven't sufferred any ill effect from ST alone but maybe im just lucky.

Oh on a side note any aromatizing aas will or can cuase gyno ( especially test ). Proper estrogen control can help prevent this but only to a point, plus some ppl are just more prone to it then others. Myself included.

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DIESEL
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10 Feb 2011 07:48 #60812 by DIESEL

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thanks fakey_ak.
running the proviron thru out shud help with estrogen control.
really keen on trying deca but jus concerned? always been a chuby kid and really have to watch my diet etc else i can put on weight really quick especially in the stomach and chest region.
fcuk! shud i jus go with the deca! 2ml st and 1mldeca week.

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Fakey_AK
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10 Feb 2011 07:53 #60813 by Fakey_AK

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Running proviron thru out is fine but rather use a decent AI like armidex for estro control.

ST and deca cycle will be fine. But u'll have to go for doc's pct then.

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DIESEL
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10 Feb 2011 13:28 #60869 by DIESEL

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think its about time i jus do wat i wanted to do from the get go. PGW ST and Deca.
350mg and 640 test a week shud be fine? not gonna preg thruout jus at the end? also shud i include kessar in pct???? remember something about not including it when using 19-nor products

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Rowan
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10 Feb 2011 14:03 #60877 by Rowan

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Doc's PCT bud.

DOC'S PCT.

Dont mess around with 19 nors and go half ass with pct.

Say it with me now...

Docs PCT!

Pain is weakness leaving the body

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DIESEL
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10 Feb 2011 14:10 #60878 by DIESEL

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DOCS PCT!!! lol. done. no point messing with the jewels! only the best lol. already got the kessar n clomid.

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22 Feb 2011 14:02 #61635 by DIESEL

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okay! in th mail is PGW ST, deca durbolin 100mg x 10 and proviron.
gonna run 480mg ST and 200mg deca/ week with proviron everyday BD.

is the deca strenght enuf? this is for 5 weeks deca. thereafter wanna switch to 10 weeks EQ with ST. wat u guys think? or shud i jus run 200mg deca for 10 weeks. or increase deca to 300-400mg? this is the first time i am pinning deca.

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Fakey_AK
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22 Feb 2011 16:38 #61644 by Fakey_AK

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Buddy, my friend, china, boet, bru.... U killing me here!!!!!!

Did u do any research on said products u wanna run - if u did u would know that 5 weeks deca is not long enough it will only kick in that time. As for dosage i'd up for 300mg.

U need to make the cycle atleast 12 - 14 weeks for the deca. And how do u wanna swop over to eq with st. Again eq needs to be run even longer than deca, min 14 weeks.

Choose one or the other.
eg:

Week 1 - 14 st @ 480mg a week
Week 1 - 12 Deca 300mg a week

or

Week 1 - 16 st @ 640mg a week
Week 1 - 14 Eq @ 525mg a week

Then add in the rest like proviron and ur bridge to pct stuff ( if u want )

Go read up sum more and come back with a new game plan
PLZ!!!

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DIESEL
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23 Feb 2011 06:10 #61657 by DIESEL

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ya i know im being bit silly. jus bit worried bout deca but will increase to 300mg over 10 weeks. thereafter wanna run the eq. i know u only start seeing gains after 10 weeks with eq. the last time i ran eq i shed alot of fat and leaned out nicely so was thinking it wud be good to run that straight after the deca. wanna go on a nice long courseonce a year.

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Fakey_AK
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23 Feb 2011 06:43 #61661 by Fakey_AK

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If u wanna run a long cycle choose one of the two and run the cycle just longer.

On a side note i'd much rather stack npp with eq then deca.

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DIESEL
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23 Feb 2011 06:50 #61663 by DIESEL

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k cool. thanks fakey. jus irritated now. i bought 10 deca 100mg. shud have jus got the pgw 350mg! damn. anyway wats done is done. wil get that next month. i llve eq jus that i wanna mass up now.

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DIESEL
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24 Feb 2011 07:26 #61788 by DIESEL

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ok been doing alot more reading and thinking about not doing the deca and switching to tren!.

with all other things remaining constant, will tren offer better muscle growth with less sides as compared to deca?
wat sort of dose/week? about 200mg/week/

so will 480mg st and 200 tren enth/ week look good and bring good gains.

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jackrabbit1
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24 Feb 2011 07:41 #61790 by jackrabbit1

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DIESEL wrote: ....with all other things remaining constant, will tren offer better muscle growth with less sides as compared to deca?
......

Where on this earth did you read that?

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24 Feb 2011 07:48 #61792 by STUARTF

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Ja, tren sides are much worse. You will get leaner gains & better strength from tren, that's if you can handle the sides. Recommended dose will be 80mg EOD (1ml EOD if PGW).

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24 Feb 2011 08:05 #61794 by DIESEL

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www.steroidology.com
steroid.com

sides ito gyno. also thy say anabolic effect 5 time greater than that of test. know about the tren cough, insomnia, aggression, and possible postate enlargement.

im jus more worried about gyno with the deca. the sites all say with tren gyno is reduced if at all all not present cos it doesnt convert to estrogen.

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24 Feb 2011 08:18 #61798 by STUARTF

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Tren increases prolactin and progesterone levels which can cause gyno. Many bodybuilders use anti-prolactin drugs like Cabaser or Dostinex which is a progesterone blocker.

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24 Feb 2011 09:07 #61804 by DIESEL

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thanks stuartf. i got the PGW tren eth 150mg, pgw ST and proviron. also got hcg, kessar and clomid. got the deca but will get rid of it.

wat sort of dosage and pct am i lookin at.

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jackrabbit1
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24 Feb 2011 09:07 #61805 by jackrabbit1

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Do yourself a favour and go here: www.steroid.com/drugprof.php
remember to checkout Finaplix!

You are worried about Deca? You should shit yourself for Tren.
Deca is sweet if you manage the sides.
I have had No problems with sides and have been on Deca MANY times and currently been on for MONTHS. (Well except for maybe a short spell DecaDick which was properly fixed with Proviron)

HCG During course, Proviron, Proper PCT(Doctari).

Which you HAVE TO do for Tren anyway. Its also a 19nor - just much more of a hard-ass.

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DIESEL
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24 Feb 2011 09:30 #61807 by DIESEL

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thanks jackrabbit1!
guess i read a bit too much and got carried away. can be over whelming! now i am sitting with all this gear lol. its good to have a forum like this so u can get back to reality wen u get overwhelmed!

thanks guys.

wat wud u advise JR1. tren or the deca for me and wat doses/week.

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STUARTF
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24 Feb 2011 09:46 #61811 by STUARTF

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Listen to the rabbit. Tren is a lot more hardcore that Deca. It's actually the only steroid that gives me really unpleasant side-effects. It's the insomnia and irritability that gets to me the most. I've always called it "demons in a bottle", which kind of sums it up.
It's a pity about these sides because apart from them it is a great steroid in terms of gains, strength and aggression in the gym.

It sounds like you have your heart set on the tren, and if you like me, nothing is going to change your mind. So here are some recommended dosages:
Supertest 320 - 640mg/week
Tren 150 - 300mg/week
Proviron - 40mg/day
HCG - 500iu/week
PCT - Doctari's protocol

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