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After some calculation and advice Im changing my previous Sust 250 Cycle.
This is what I have in mind know.
Week 1 - 10 Pgw Supertest 320 x2 a week
Week 7 - 10 LP Winstrol @ 40mg ED
Oh and the reason im going 10 weeks is because of the 10ml vials, dont want to buy a extra 1 just for 4 shots. I wanted to use armidex but cant get my hands on it anymore. so will be using Letro instead. So what u guys think?
I will post my planned pct this weekend.
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thanx bro. But wont 6weeks be harsh on my liver or is it fine with my dosage?Ok dude your cycle looks fine but what i would do is run test from week 1-10 then run your winstrol from week 6-12 and then u can start your pct,as with any long ester u have to wait for 2weeks before u can start your pct so running winstrol or box fast acting oral in that two weeks is a good idea untill pct starts. Letro at 0.25mg eod will be fine to keep water down,u might need a bit more depending on how much u bloat up
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thanx bro. But wont 6weeks be harsh on my liver or is it fine with my dosage?Ok dude your cycle looks fine but what i would do is run test from week 1-10 then run your winstrol from week 6-12 and then u can start your pct,as with any long ester u have to wait for 2weeks before u can start your pct so running winstrol or box fast acting oral in that two weeks is a good idea untill pct starts. Letro at 0.25mg eod will be fine to keep water down,u might need a bit more depending on how much u bloat up
Make sure to take enough Milk thistle and Essentiale throughout your cycle and your liver will be fine.
If everybody does it, is it still cheating?
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Can't get better than SAMe its around R350 for 30 tablets.. frown at the price then don't complain when milk thistle didn't do the trick and your body is fucked up.
Yea Like pump's body he carries the liver in the pocket now attached with a permanent propiontae drip to keep the liver strong
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I've done some reading and it seems like SAMe is a briliant product and from what i read it can actually reverse liver siroses.
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OK so the holidays are over for and monday its back to gym.
Now for my pct for this cycle. Ichecjed out doctaris pct protocol and a bit confused. Here is where Im at
Week 13 clomid @50mg twice a day split for 7 days
Week 14 Kessar @20mg once a day for 21 days
the pregnal is the part im not sure of
Can someone shed some light please?
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Hey guys
OK so the holidays are over for and monday its back to gym.
Now for my pct for this cycle. Ichecjed out doctaris pct protocol and a bit confused. Here is where Im at
Week 13 clomid @50mg twice a day split for 7 days
Week 14 Kessar @20mg once a day for 21 days
the pregnal is the part im not sure of
Can someone shed some light please?
Well in Doctaris protocol he says start the HCG the same day as the tamoxifen (Day8). Then he wants you to run it for 20days a 1000iu EOD, so its basically ten days of HCG injects. He says shoot them in four-five equal doses a day (200-250iu each).
Now while I agree with his running HCG through the cycle (I like to start my PCT when I start my cycle
1) I prefer to up my HCG when the cycle stops to get balls going as close to the last pin as possible.
2) I think you need to run a SERM after the HCG, because of course there is a drop in LH levels and thus test levels after HCG use. This can also cause gyno from the estrogen imbalance that may result.
3) I don't think proviron or any androgen is conducive to proper recovery in PCT.
4) Of this is debatable and person specific, but I worry about using high doses of HCG, and I don't particularly need them.
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Fakey_AK wrote:
Hey guys
OK so the holidays are over for and monday its back to gym.
Now for my pct for this cycle. Ichecjed out doctaris pct protocol and a bit confused. Here is where Im at
Week 13 clomid @50mg twice a day split for 7 days
Week 14 Kessar @20mg once a day for 21 days
the pregnal is the part im not sure of
Can someone shed some light please?
Well in Doctaris protocol he says start the HCG the same day as the tamoxifen (Day8). Then he wants you to run it for 20days a 1000iu EOD, so its basically ten days of HCG injects. He says shoot them in four-five equal doses a day (200-250iu each).
Now while I agree with his running HCG through the cycle (I like to start my PCT when I start my cycle), there are a few aspects I don't agree with as I have stated before.
1) I prefer to up my HCG when the cycle stops to get balls going as close to the last pin as possible.
2) I think you need to run a SERM after the HCG, because of course there is a drop in LH levels and thus test levels after HCG use. This can also cause gyno from the estrogen imbalance that may result.
3) I don't think proviron or any androgen is conducive to proper recovery in PCT.
4) Of this is debatable and person specific, but I worry about using high doses of HCG, and I don't particularly need them.
Do you run HCG through your entire cycle? Don't you think running HCG for extended periods will cause desensitization?
I've always thought it would be best to run HCG mid cycle for about a week or 2 (depending on the cycle length) and then again at the start of pct for 2 weeks concurrent with the nolva and then run the nolva for 3 weeks after cessation of HCG.
I've never used HCG and want to on my next cycle so am interested to hear all perspectives. There seems to be many differing opinions on how to use it best.
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Of course I up the HCG once PCT has started, but I still don't use very high doses and for a very short time frame. I might try using it every other week in my next cycle because its quite a long one. We'll see...
Either way I find low doses of HCG through the cycle prevent my balls from ever shrinking, and the transition to PCT is very smooth. Its a protocol I like, but I will be the first to dismiss it should I suffer from desensitisation in the long run. I certainly prefer it to mega doses though, those just seem way riskier to me.
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Week 11 hcg 500iu's 2x a week
Week 12 hcg 500iu's 3x a week
Week 13 clomid 100mg ed split
Week 14 kessar 40mg ed split
week 15 kessar 20mg ed split
week 16 kessar 20mg ed split
Does this look right? A mix and match of the posted cycles
Also another thing the letro i will be using on cycle should i continue that in pct also
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Your PCT is definately a doable one. Personally I'd run a SERM 11-16 and the HCG 11-13 at 3X a week for all weeks, but those are just personal choices. Your PCT you laid out is a basic but reasonably solid one.
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Ok this will be my cycle start to finish.
Week 1 - 10 pgw supertest 320mg 2x a week
Week 6 - 12 Liquid pharm. winstrol 40mg or anavar 60mg ed
Week 11- 12 Hcg 500iu's 3x a week
Week 13 Clomid 100mg ed split
Week 14 Kessar 40mg ed split
Week 15 Kessar 20mg ed
Week 16 Kessar 20mg ed
As u can c I want to change the winstrol to anavar maybe. Worried about the high cholestrol that winstrol gives u. Whats ur guys take between winstrol and anavar?
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Thanx Inja
Ok this will be my cycle start to finish.
Week 1 - 10 pgw supertest 320mg 2x a week
Week 6 - 12 Liquid pharm. winstrol 40mg or anavar 60mg ed
Week 11- 12 Hcg 500iu's 3x a week
Week 13 Clomid 100mg ed split
Week 14 Kessar 40mg ed split
Week 15 Kessar 20mg ed
Week 16 Kessar 20mg ed
As u can c I want to change the winstrol to anavar maybe. Worried about the high cholestrol that winstrol gives u. Whats ur guys take between winstrol and anavar?
IMO you need to run var longer than 6 weeks. Winny is definitely superior, but is harsher on your body, liver, joints and lipids.
If you haven't got your stuff, I think tbol would be good substitute-something inbetween.
I agree with Inja that you should overlap the serm and hcg, and then run the serm for a few weeks after the HCG.
Always run a serm after letro use in case of estrogen rebound
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Fakey_AK wrote:
Thanx Inja
Ok this will be my cycle start to finish.
Week 1 - 10 pgw supertest 320mg 2x a week
Week 6 - 12 Liquid pharm. winstrol 40mg or anavar 60mg ed
Week 11- 12 Hcg 500iu's 3x a week
Week 13 Clomid 100mg ed split
Week 14 Kessar 40mg ed split
Week 15 Kessar 20mg ed
Week 16 Kessar 20mg ed
As u can c I want to change the winstrol to anavar maybe. Worried about the high cholestrol that winstrol gives u. Whats ur guys take between winstrol and anavar?
IMO you need to run var longer than 6 weeks. Winny is definitely superior, but is harsher on your body, liver, joints and lipids.
If you haven't got your stuff, I think tbol would be good substitute-something inbetween.
I agree with Inja that you should overlap the serm and hcg, and then run the serm for a few weeks after the HCG.
Always run a serm after letro use in case of estrogen rebound
I thimk I get what u and inja r saying. But shouldn't i wait at least 2 weeks after last injection to start with the serms? So last shot will be in week 10, Week 11 I can start hcg @500iu's 3x a week ans same for week 12. Week 13 I still do the hcg and also clomid, following suit with the kessar.
Sorry for the questions but this will be my first proper pct want to get it right this time.
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As an aside, if you are gyno sensitive its often better to start the SERM use in week eleven with the HCG, since the HCG can inflame gyno risk. Not much problem if your not sensitive though, just keep it in mind.
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O yea i forgot to say though I have been running Arimidex(pharma grade) throughout the whole time at 0.5 mgs ED at start for like 10 weeks I then moved to a EOD protocol and it works just as fine. I stopped Adex 2 weeks into my PCT now and just carrying on with tamoxifen. I must admit that running a good AI makes all the difference in the world as i spent a lot of training doing boxing and I did not feel any heaviness from the water retention. Have never tried letro but from the complaints on this board I think Ill stick to Adex.
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You might not even need HCG in this cycle from what i gathered you are taking 640 a week? Im coming of a 18 week cycle now of 800 Mgs of Test cypionate and first 6 weeks fronloaded with test prop. I agree with Inja fully proviron is a bad move in the PCT. It will supress you more. Im using Docs Protocol slightly modified with double dosages on tamoxifen. Working great right now in week 2 of PCT and my nuts have gone huge. Im not a fan of HCG, I use it during the cycle few times but HCG has some serious permanent sides if I can avoid it I will. Your cycle doesnt look heavy to me but anyways thats my opinion..
O yea i forgot to say though I have been running Arimidex(pharma grade) throughout the whole time at 0.5 mgs ED at start for like 10 weeks I then moved to a EOD protocol and it works just as fine. I stopped Adex 2 weeks into my PCT now and just carrying on with tamoxifen. I must admit that running a good AI makes all the difference in the world as i spent a lot of training doing boxing and I did not feel any heaviness from the water retention. Have never tried letro but from the complaints on this board I think Ill stick to Adex.
Quick Hi Jack: Lesa, you doing alot of cardio with your boxing (off course). You probably used clen before. How did it influence your cardio. I know they say it can have a influence but i find this a complete understatement. It completely screws up my cardio. I feel like a complete novice and i know im fit
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You might not even need HCG in this cycle from what i gathered you are taking 640 a week? Im coming of a 18 week cycle now of 800 Mgs of Test cypionate and first 6 weeks fronloaded with test prop. I agree with Inja fully proviron is a bad move in the PCT. It will supress you more. Im using Docs Protocol slightly modified with double dosages on tamoxifen. Working great right now in week 2 of PCT and my nuts have gone huge. Im not a fan of HCG, I use it during the cycle few times but HCG has some serious permanent sides if I can avoid it I will. Your cycle doesnt look heavy to me but anyways thats my opinion..
O yea i forgot to say though I have been running Arimidex(pharma grade) throughout the whole time at 0.5 mgs ED at start for like 10 weeks I then moved to a EOD protocol and it works just as fine. I stopped Adex 2 weeks into my PCT now and just carrying on with tamoxifen. I must admit that running a good AI makes all the difference in the world as i spent a lot of training doing boxing and I did not feel any heaviness from the water retention. Have never tried letro but from the complaints on this board I think Ill stick to Adex.
Hey Lesa
I've got 2 Questions if u dont mind
1. Is the pharm grade armidex under the name armidex or something else
2. Being a boxer what do u use to tie up your wrists. I started doing some cardio on the bags but my wrist are killing me the next day.
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