Letro gyno removal (log)

Hi

I am writing this thread to give an update on my current status and if Letro does actually work for gyno removal.

PS: I have had blood work done and during my Letro cycle and I can safely say Letro does not lower Prolactin levels (at all). Many people have argued this point and I can safely say the bloods don't lie.

I am day 12 into my Letro Gyno reversal cycle at 1.25mg per day. Today I have bumped the dose up to 2.5mg. So far I have not seen any effect what so ever, however I did notice previously it took around 21+ days to notice a change. I don't know if it was related to the Letro or Parlodel or just psychological at that point in time I never tested my prolactin levels. Just so you know I have been off gear around 2 months (including PCT).

Keep you updated.

Note: My gyno is soft tissue around the nipple, no (lump) I had this removed. However from what I read that even if Letro helps shrink the lump it rather just causes that lump or part of it to become soft tissue like I have now, so I really can't be certain until this test is done that Letro works or not.

Pump. Im definitely interested in this thread.

My pct ended about 4 months ago. About 3 days back started getting slight signs of gyno . Nothing serious , so im running nolva at 20 mg first to see if it stop further progress , before i start letro.

So, ill be following this one.

Good luck.

Good luck, allot of my research shows Nolva to be a very effective agent in treatment of gyno. Many many people believe this is not the case, but clinical studies have no reason to lie.

Hey Pump, I also started to get signs of gyno after my last cycle which was 1.5months ago (Test Prop, dbol), I have downward facing nips. is this serious and can nolva solve this?

Thnx again!

Nice thread pump and will also follow this as there is a lot of arguing about letro and gyno.
Interesting what you say about the prolactin as I know a couple of guys who swear letro reversed gyno caused by tren and deca

Yohimbe wrote:

Nice thread pump and will also follow this as there is a lot of arguing about letro and gyno.
Interesting what you say about the prolactin as I know a couple of guys who swear letro reversed gyno caused by tren and deca

That is why I made sure I did blood before and after to make sure... I believe the body can revert gyno to some extent after a cycle depending on how bad it is, and if it is prolactin related then after stopping Tren/Deca your body goes back to normal and the gyno might shrink *shrugs*

Also if its 'fatty deposits' it might be possible the Letro is hardening you up and some of it might shrink.

Still today nothing seems different, nipples are still puffy and facing downward. 30 days of Nolva did nothing for it.

missiondh wrote:

Hey Pump, I also started to get signs of gyno after my last cycle which was 1.5months ago (Test Prop, dbol), I have downward facing nips. is this serious and can nolva solve this?

Thnx again!

Some people say it works and I believe it might, however in my case it doesn't. Do you have a lump under the breast of just the tissue?

If after 2 months this is not reverted I will then go for surgery again and let a plastic surgeon do it this time. If he states that the glad is the entire size of the pec that some say is the case, then remove it and sculpt the chest with extra fat, etc so as not to have a indent.

Keep us updated missiondh

I think it's always best to run an anti E on cycle to keep estrogen low, even if you sacrifice some gains, it's better than gyno.

Yohimbe wrote:

Nice thread pump and will also follow this as there is a lot of arguing about letro and gyno.
Interesting what you say about the prolactin as I know a couple of guys who swear letro reversed gyno caused by tren and deca

Prolactin can become an issue with any cycle, and its effects are not unique to nor overly pronounced following progesterone signalling deca and tren. Letro will still treat the gyno in the same way.

Good quality thread Mr. Pumper. Real world experience counts a lot more than 2 cents.

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00pump wrote:

missiondh wrote:

Hey Pump, I also started to get signs of gyno after my last cycle which was 1.5months ago (Test Prop, dbol), I have downward facing nips. is this serious and can nolva solve this?

Thnx again!

Some people say it works and I believe it might, however in my case it doesn't. Do you have a lump under the breast of just the tissue?

If after 2 months this is not reverted I will then go for surgery again and let a plastic surgeon do it this time. If he states that the glad is the entire size of the pec that some say is the case, then remove it and sculpt the chest with extra fat, etc so as not to have a indent.

Keep us updated missiondh

There are no lumps I can feel or notice, just downward facing nips? Maybe some low doses of letro? Thnx again Pump!

You can try that, but I believe that wont work...

I have now added 20mg Nolva to the mix of things, I know many say don't combine as it lowers the Plazma levels of the Letro but what about the free estrogen that is already in your system?

After adding Nolva since Saturday I have already seen a difference. Nolva by itself did nothing, the combo seems to be doing something, still to soon to say what and how effective..

Will keep updated.

Thnx again keep us updated.

Thanks for the updates Pump, i'm about to try Cbino's gyno revearsel programme (to get rid of the damn stubborn PUFFY nipples) i'm very keen on seeing how u progress, keep the updates coming bud

00pump wrote:

You can try that, but I believe that wont work...

I have now added 20mg Nolva to the mix of things, I know many say don't combine as it lowers the Plazma levels of the Letro but what about the free estrogen that is already in your system?

After adding Nolva since Saturday I have already seen a difference. Nolva by itself did nothing, the combo seems to be doing something, still to soon to say what and how effective..

Will keep updated.

Nolva lowers the absorption of letro some 37%.

But I agree with running the two together, just bump the letro dose up a bit to compensate

Good thread...

I have a bit of a problem with gyno myself. First developed it on a Test and Winstrol cycle about 6 months ago. I didn't have any problems while I was on both the testosterone and Winstrol, but I stopped the Winstrol about 2 weeks before the testosterone, and that's when the gyno started flaring up. (I suspect it has something to do with Winstrol having a greater affinity for aromatase than testosterone, thereby acting as a sort of an AI).

I developed a painful lump under my right nipple. Strangely enough, the one nipple seemed to be affected much more than the other. I immediately started taking 20mg of tamoxifen per day (I wasn't on it from the start of the cycle, as I never had problems like this before - just kept it at hand for in case I developed problems). The pain became slightly better, but didn't clear up completely, and the lump stayed. I discontinued the testosterone and a few weeks later the gyno went away by itself. I don't feel that I benefited at all by taking the tamoxifen. Symptoms before and after it's use were pretty much the same.

About a month ago, after having been off cycle for 6 months, I started developing gyno again. Again the right nipple was more affected.

I noticed one of the guys saying he developed gyno 4 months after his last cycle - wonder if this is because test levels are still depressed, despite doing proper PCT...?

This time I skipped the tamoxifen and tried letrozole. This is supposed to be quite potent stuff. According to one study it suppresses estrogen levels in men by 60% at a dosage of 0,02mg per day. I slowly went up to a dose of 1mg per day, but haven't really seen much improvement. On some days the pain is somewhat less and my nipples definitely appear less puffy, but on most days my nipple is still slightly painful and the lumps never go away. I've been on it for a month but subjectively haven't seen any real, major improvements.

Just wanted to share my experience of gyno and the effects of the different drugs on me. Hope it helps someone.

Blood work is probably the next step, but I'm beginning to think that, at least for me, surgery will probably be the only real solution in the long run.

Sounds like you on the right track...

Please note from all my research Letro can take up to 3 months for it be effective at shrinking those nasty lumps, if however it does not go away by this time, surgery is the only option. I do recommend what i'm doing now and combine the two and as Yohimbe stated and increase the Letro dose, this way you are dealing with it from both angles.

The reason I say use both is that yesterday my gyno is 50% smaller, so something is working, however I am cutting serious body fat...

What is your bodyfat at the moment as allot of the time bodyfat tends to make it worse.

Keep me updated.

Thanks Pump!

My bodyfat is around 15% at the moment. I read some studies showing the relationship between gyno and obesity. It's a good idea to shed some fat - less adipose tissue, less aromatase, less estrogen, less gyno... :laugh: I'm focusing on cutting at the moment - I've upped my cardio a lot and tightened the diet a bit. Lost about 3kgs in the past 5 weeks. I'm hoping the fat loss will help for the gyno as well.

I think I'll stick it out a bit longer with the letro then. I didn't know it takes so long to see an effect from it. I'll up the dosage a bit and add tamoxifen and will let you all know how it's going...

Good stuff....

Just note, i'm not saying this works, but I have just about read enough of other peoples gyno reversal processes who have never had gyno before and just speaking in theory...

So far so good and all seems to be working quite well... right now because its cold it looks 99% better, but I must wait for it to be warmer to get an accurate assumption which I believe was about 50% better...

00pump wrote:

Good luck, allot of my research shows Nolva to be a very effective agent in treatment of gyno. Many many people believe this is not the case, but clinical studies have no reason to lie.

i started to get some gyno towards the end of my last cycle which really surprised me considering i've done plenty cycles and NEVER had any signs of gyno ... Nolva at 40mg's ED and it cleared up pretty quickly ...


WOT

I got some tamoxifen. I've upped the letrozole to 1,5mg per day now and I'm taking 20mg a day of tamoxifen with it. Will keep you updated about the results I get from this.

Great, so far so good with me... Things looking great! its been cold for 2 days so can't be 100% sure, but its looking 80% better...

00pump wrote:

Good stuff....

Just note, i'm not saying this works, but I have just about read enough of other peoples gyno reversal processes who have never had gyno before and just speaking in theory...

So far so good and all seems to be working quite well... right now because its cold it looks 99% better, but I must wait for it to be warmer to get an accurate assumption which I believe was about 50% better...

Are you struggling with any sides from the high letro dose-libdo joints etc?

At this moment, not soo bad.. last cycle I did as I threw in 2.5mg a day for 3 months.... I am clicking allot so i guess i'm getting close to that painful experience again... last time it was so bad that I honestly couldn't even bend over and couldn't stand longer than a few minutes as my knees where in so much agony... that stuff is potent!

My elbows and shoulders often start feeling it towards the end of the cycle-thats on 0.5mg EOD so on those doses I can imagine.

Hope it gets rid of the gyno.