Winstrol/Clen Combination

Hi guys; to start let me give the following information:

I am in my first year at university, and have always had a problem with my weight. I took it upon myself to do something about it mid way through this year-when browsing this site and reading some of the inspirational stories.

I am nineteen years old, 183cm, and am currently sitting on 88.8kg. I have dropped down from around 100kg since June/July with some serious training and diet changes.

Typically, a daily meal-plan would look as follows:

8:00am-9 egg whites, 1 whole egg. (37.5g Protein, 10g Carbs, 5g Fat)
10:00am- 4 scoops whey protein, 2 bananas, 1 tbs peanut butter, 300ml skimmed milk. (110g Protein, 50g Carbs, 20-25g fat)
12:00am-400g Porterhouse steak and salad (85g Protein, 5g Carbs, 60g Fat.
14:00pm-4 scoops whey protein. (85g Protein, 15g Carbs, 0g Fat)
16:00pm-Training
17:30pm-PW Shake (SSN Cytomaize with Waxymaize)
18:00pm-Chicken or tuna salad.
20:00pm-1 tbs Cottage Cheese, 1 tbs Peanut butter.
21:00pm-sleep.

I have been trying my utmost with the diet, as I realised that it is the key to success, but I am beginning to reach a slight plataeu.

I have a goal weight of around 80kg, which I want to achieve by the 26 January 2010. My question to you guys now is, can I opt to take some winstrol and clenbuterol for 6-8 weeks to aid in assisting me to reach my goal?

I have no previous cycle experience-I had purchased a 10ml Vial of Test Prop earlier in the year, and took two shots of it, until a wise individual on this very forum told me that I was being stupid wasting my first cycle at such a young age, and with very little training experience under my belt. I do feel however, that I would like to incorporate some help now by using something to help me shed off some extra pounds.

I am taking inspiration from guys like djeasye, and would truly appreciate any advise, or criticism, that any of the more experienced forum members would have for me.

Much appreciated.

When hitting a plateau first look at dropping overall total calories, then increasing exercise intensity. Once these are definately not helping you can look at increasing metabolism with fat burnters. Start with a good OTC supplement and then move on to ephedrine containing compounds later once these no longer give enough bang for their buck.

Post up some progress pics bro, lets see where you at. And well done!!

Well you not a baby either (19)

Leave the Winstrol as it would be pointless for what you trying to achieve.. People believe that winstrol (shreads) you... that is false...

And if you using something like clen at least you don't need to worry about hormones, thats where the danger comes in at your age...

You have done extremely well with your weight, but I feel you need to look at doing more cardio / intense training. How many days a week are you training?

Clen might not be such a bad idea, but don't think you going to take clen and overnight you going to be at 80kgs, but it sure will help to a point.

Inja has a point starting with something allot milder then move up to ephadrine and then move to clen....

Props on the effort...sounds like you have the right mid set needed to make your efforts a success.

Why not try changing your routine in the gym? Increase your intensity when it comes to the cardio....it does wonders for plateaus when trying to loose a bit of BF...

haha, you look like me, I have to be in bed at 9pm? what time do you get up?

00pump wrote:

haha, you look like me, I have to be in bed at 9pm? what time do you get up?

who?:laugh:

J05H1E G wrote:

Hi guys; to start let me give the following information:

I am in my first year at university, and have always had a problem with my weight. I took it upon myself to do something about it mid way through this year-when browsing this site and reading some of the inspirational stories.

I am nineteen years old, 183cm, and am currently sitting on 88.8kg. I have dropped down from around 100kg since June/July with some serious training and diet changes.

Typically, a daily meal-plan would look as follows:

8:00am-9 egg whites, 1 whole egg. (37.5g Protein, 10g Carbs, 5g Fat)
10:00am- 4 scoops whey protein, 2 bananas, 1 tbs peanut butter, 300ml skimmed milk. (110g Protein, 50g Carbs, 20-25g fat)
12:00am-400g Porterhouse steak and salad (85g Protein, 5g Carbs, 60g Fat.
14:00pm-4 scoops whey protein. (85g Protein, 15g Carbs, 0g Fat)
16:00pm-Training
17:30pm-PW Shake (SSN Cytomaize with Waxymaize)
18:00pm-Chicken or tuna salad.
20:00pm-1 tbs Cottage Cheese, 1 tbs Peanut butter.
21:00pm-sleep.

I have been trying my utmost with the diet, as I realised that it is the key to success, but I am beginning to reach a slight plataeu.

I have a goal weight of around 80kg, which I want to achieve by the 26 January 2010. My question to you guys now is, can I opt to take some winstrol and clenbuterol for 6-8 weeks to aid in assisting me to reach my goal?

I have no previous cycle experience-I had purchased a 10ml Vial of Test Prop earlier in the year, and took two shots of it, until a wise individual on this very forum told me that I was being stupid wasting my first cycle at such a young age, and with very little training experience under my belt. I do feel however, that I would like to incorporate some help now by using something to help me shed off some extra pounds.

I am taking inspiration from guys like djeasye, and would truly appreciate any advise, or criticism, that any of the more experienced forum members would have for me.

Much appreciated.

Well done brother. I like that you have a simple goal and you started in the right place which is diet. Go for clen.

20:00pm-1 tbs Cottage Cheese, 1 tbs Peanut butter.
21:00pm-sleep.


In his first post... every night, 9pm i'm in bed.. or I get ratty and grumpy, firstly becausse I believe I have to eat again and because i'm not getting my natrual GH kicking in... and then temper the next day at work.

00pump wrote:

20:00pm-1 tbs Cottage Cheese, 1 tbs Peanut butter.
21:00pm-sleep.


In his first post... every night, 9pm i'm in bed.. or I get ratty and grumpy, firstly becausse I believe I have to eat again and because i'm not getting my natrual GH kicking in... and then temper the next day at work.

oh sorry.... :laugh: ... No worries...Im the same... But I tend to fall asleep on the couch watching Discovery... a pet hate of mine is been tired in the morning... I get cranky as hell...

Yup then trying to get to gym at 4/5pm... you so tired and miff... really ticks me off..

add in about 2-3 hours of Gauteng traffic....

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00pump wrote:

haha, you look like me

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Inja wrote:

Barbell wrote:

00pump wrote:

haha, you look like me

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I thought he was talking about this guy
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He knows Mugabe????

Joshie Bro, did some quick calculations on your total cals, assuming you got a decent amount of lean mass under the belly flop, I wouldn't drop the cals too much more, try shave another 200-300 off everyday and up tempo on cardio.

Maybe add in something like hydroxycut or lipo6 if you got the cash, or go for a cheaper home grown alternative.

hey bro, firstly congrats on the progress so far, very impressive

I agree with the guys that winstrol isn't gonna help much and I also don't think the clen will be a prob either.
try upping you're cardio a bit, maybe try it early morning after a whey/BCAA supplement, personally adding morning cardio is the fastest way to getting ripped.

keep us all posted on you're progress, if possible post some pics. you'll inspire alot of people man

Thank you Inja,00pump. I really am trying. What I have realised is that this whole thing is a lifestyle change-not just some simple spur of the moment thing that some random guy decides to do to look good for the summer. Guys at varsity laugh at me when I come there with my pre-packed meals (I am studying engineering, so at varsity most of the day). I have even been kicked out of lectures a couple of times for whipping out some broccoli and chicken-only to be called back by the lecturer and asked "what gave you the right to just eat during my class?" to which I politely respond, "Sorry Mam, but catabolism is the devil of muscle growth." They don't like that one too much, but whatever, I am not phased.

Typically, my training partner and I do cardio around five times a week. It is not HIT, what we would typically opt for is 20min walk on a 15 gradient at a moderate pace of around 6km/h. I have been taking his advise on this one, because he is quite a deal more knowledgeable than I am. What is your advise Inja?

Will try a normal OTC supplement-what I have sitting at home that I got for free is a British made supp called Myoffeine. Anybody heard of this, and will it do any good? Otherwise, what would the forum recommend?

Further, which brand of Clen would be the best to use? I am hearing good things about the Axiolabs version, but as a newbie, I would not know how to take this? I have read about "pyramiding" the compound for two weeks on two weeks off?

Inja, should I start paying more attention on calorie counting? As of late, I have been more worried about getting in enough protein to sustain the nice little bit of muscle that I have put on, and to aid and assist in further growth, while keeping carbs relatively low, mainly taking in fruits and veg as a main source. Am I wrong in doing this? Occasionally I do throw in some oats or Basmati..

thank you akll for the help. It is truly appreciated. Knowledge is truly the key to success, and right now, I think everyone out there could use a bit more of it.

Thanks Jayman. I will definitely post some pics at a later stage-just prepping for final exams now for this year, so things are a bit hectic to juggle. I want to get down to around 80, once I am there, I will show it off a bit. Your advise on the morning cardio will work out nicely, as I don;t really struggle to wake up. However, what form of cardio should I be considering?

HIIT is what most will suggest but what I've always done (works perfectly for me) is take a short jog (like 2-3km) and then jump in the pool for 30min or so doing laps
but take in the protein or BCAA's as I suggested beforehand

OK bro, the changes you made to body comp are based on simple life changes you made.
But now you need to get serious shed more kilos.

Your cardio is kak! Up the intensity, do some heavy cycling or spinning, swimming etc... Things that really get you panting and sweating. Also HIIT is a really good tool for strait fatloss. Use it.

Fruit should no longer be your main source of carb. It is good to have fruit every now and then, as you are not a competing BBer and health is priority. However to truly maximise fatloss all your carbs should be low GI. This is the first diet change you must make.
And yes you need to watch your cals!!! Damn bro. This is the only way you will know what to change in your daily energy expenditure.

You don't need clen yet, but yesm the best way to use it is pyramiding the dose up for two weeks, then taking a two week break, but there are many variations on this depending how quickly your receptors recover.

I will try look up Myoffeine but I've never used it.

Inja, how many calories should I be taking in daily? Also, would you help me with some diet advise? What carbs SHOULD I be eating-I am serious about this, and could use all the help I can get.

Hey J05H1E G...is that your student number or something? Well anyways, I looked at your diet and the only direct carb source I can see is coming from bananas. So why not just do an atkin's (keto) diet then and finished?...Just an idea.

Hey bro, when you mentioned oats, brown rice, and veggies, these were all great options. The fruit wasn't. Use google to find the GI of most of your favourite carbs and only use those that on average come in <55 (results vary).

As for how many cals you need, you need to work out BMR off the net based on height and weight etc... Use a few calculators to get a better read out. Then find a formula to calculate you caloric requirements for your activity levels. Alternatively work out how many calories you burn at gym and doing other physical activities each day using something like a heart rate monitor.

It's important to base BMR and all subsequent values on lean mass, so subtract most of your BF% from the weight you use in the formuli. You are aiming to eat for the body you want... Not what you have.

Once you know your total cals you can then simply lower this value by something like 300-500 cal. Then you will lose weight.


Alternatively, if you don't want to use all your time learning about diets ans the right types of foodstuffs from google, the easy option is just to e-mail the squirrel man and ask him to do it for you instead (for a price).
EDIT: Or not if he decides to reply 1min after my post :laugh

J05H1E G wrote:

Hi guys; to start let me give the following information:

I am in my first year at university, and have always had a problem with my weight. I took it upon myself to do something about it mid way through this year-when browsing this site and reading some of the inspirational stories.

I am nineteen years old, 183cm, and am currently sitting on 88.8kg. I have dropped down from around 100kg since June/July with some serious training and diet changes.

Typically, a daily meal-plan would look as follows:

8:00am-9 egg whites, 1 whole egg. (37.5g Protein, 10g Carbs, 5g Fat)
10:00am- 4 scoops whey protein, 2 bananas, 1 tbs peanut butter, 300ml skimmed milk. (110g Protein, 50g Carbs, 20-25g fat)
12:00am-400g Porterhouse steak and salad (85g Protein, 5g Carbs, 60g Fat.
14:00pm-4 scoops whey protein. (85g Protein, 15g Carbs, 0g Fat)
16:00pm-Training
17:30pm-PW Shake (SSN Cytomaize with Waxymaize)
18:00pm-Chicken or tuna salad.
20:00pm-1 tbs Cottage Cheese, 1 tbs Peanut butter.
21:00pm-sleep.

I have been trying my utmost with the diet, as I realised that it is the key to success, but I am beginning to reach a slight plataeu.

I have a goal weight of around 80kg, which I want to achieve by the 26 January 2010. My question to you guys now is, can I opt to take some winstrol and clenbuterol for 6-8 weeks to aid in assisting me to reach my goal?

I have no previous cycle experience-I had purchased a 10ml Vial of Test Prop earlier in the year, and took two shots of it, until a wise individual on this very forum told me that I was being stupid wasting my first cycle at such a young age, and with very little training experience under my belt. I do feel however, that I would like to incorporate some help now by using something to help me shed off some extra pounds.

I am taking inspiration from guys like djeasye, and would truly appreciate any advise, or criticism, that any of the more experienced forum members would have for me.

Much appreciated.

ok well first thing i think u need to do is change your macro nutrients around,u are getting so much protein in but i think that u are getting bugger all carbs, now what might help u a bit if upping your carbs a bit and dropping your protein,

8:00am-9 egg whites, 1 whole egg.50g oats (37.5g Protein, 28g Carbs, 13g Fat)
10:00am- 2 scoops whey protein, 50g oats, 1 tbs peanut butter, water. (44g Protein, 28g Carbs, 20-25g fat)
12:00am-200g Porterhouse steak and salad (50g Protein, 5g Carbs, 30g Fat.
14:00pm-2 scoops whey protein 50g oats. (44g Protein, 35g Carbs, 10g Fat)
16:00pm-Training PW Shake (SSN Cytomaize with Waxymaize)

17:30pm-PW Shake 2 scoops whey
18:00pm-Chicken or tuna salad.
20:00pm-2 scoop whey & 1 tbs Cottage Cheese.
21:00pm-sleep.

you just need to change things up a bit,carbs are not the devil and u need to have a bit more carbs to fuel u for energy,also the high fiber from the oats will help u be regular,also dropped some of your peanut butter in the change for some carbs, also what does your training split look like? are u doing any cardio at the moment? post that up and we can have a look at that. also instead of the post work out shake of cytomaise and waxy maize,have that pre work out inorder to fuel your work out and push heavier weights. have some of your protein post work out, u are having 4-5 meals of 80g protein rather have 7 meals of 60g protein if it makes sense,more meals will keep your body digesting....also drop those bananas right away... high in fructose,rather have oats inorder to have more complex carbs with fiber,also drop the milk

sorry i see your cardio posted up there already, if i was u i would drop the incline to 12% 5.5km an hour and go for 30mins post work out...cardio u need to add in 20mins HIIT 3 times a week in the morning...