First Cycle - Test Cyp....Advice needed

Hi Guys

Been reading alot of this forum and you guys are very helpful, really informed and very honest in terms of feedback. I have started to take my training very serious this year after on and off for the last few years and want to try something to assist with the gains and results

Age: 35
Height: 1.74m
Weight: 93kg
BF: around 16-18% (Need to check that properly)

I have been on Clen for the past month, strict diet (No heavy Carbs and sugar - Protein and veg - rice here and there) and gym 6 days a week (One muscle group per day).

Have seen great results with this in terms of losing the fat especially around the belly. I'm looking for the lean look (Mens Health figure). Good mass (not too big but big enough to see in a regualr shirt or T-shirt) and lean

I want to go on a Test Cycle (Test Cyp). My friend has suggested that as the best start with Test. I was also thinking of Var in the cycle - but research has indicated that maybe a Test only cycle is the way to go as a start and then you can monitor your body and reactions and then throw in something in the next cycle.

Looking at Test Cyp for 10 weeks

Would the Clen for 10 weeks on Test be ok?
Should I consider Var in the cycle - if so, when?

I also know that PCT is very important and looking at HCG and Nolvadex

Also looking at arimidex as an AI on hand

Any advice or sugesstions would be great on any of the above

Hey there. To answer your questions
1. Test c for 10weeks is fine. Wt dose are you planning on running?
2. Clen for 10weeks is crazy. Stick to 4weeks max on a safe side. 20/40/60/80 should be plenty)
3. On anavar you can add in in beginning of the cycle or at the end.
4. Pct (clomid, nolverdex nd hcg)
5. A.I. arimidex just keep that on hand on only

SamZ4000 wrote: Hey there. To answer your questions
1. Test c for 10weeks is fine. Wt dose are you planning on running?
2. Clen for 10weeks is crazy. Stick to 4weeks max on a safe side. 20/40/60/80 should be plenty)
3. On anavar you can add in in beginning of the cycle or at the end.
4. Pct (clomid, nolverdex nd hcg)
5. A.I. arimidex just keep that on hand on only

Hi Samz

Thank you very much for the info. I will follow your advice on the Clen. I have read more and its spot on with your guidance - Thank you again

Looking at 1ml Weekly = 250mg to last 10 weeks

When do you know you need the AI - what are the likely signs?

Adding in Zaditen with clen will maximise its effectiveness.

HendrikEW wrote: Adding in Zaditen with clen will maximise its effectiveness.

Thanks Hendrik

Will look into that

Yeah if you run the Zaditen for 4 weeks everyday and the Clen 2 days on 1 day off its works quite good according to some oakes.

HendrikEW wrote: Yeah if you run the Zaditen for 4 weeks everyday and the Clen 2 days on 1 day off its works quite good according to some oakes.

Brilliant thanks!

Any advice on the Test and the dosage? Friend says 250mg is good for a first timer - will it be effective coz alot of what I read looks at 500mg per week

250mg of test if fine however most guys start off at 500mg. 250mg of test will get the job done.

SamZ4000 wrote: 250mg of test if fine however most guys start off at 500mg. 250mg of test will get the job done.

Thanks Samz

Can you take 500mg in one shot a week or do you do 2 shots per week?

Dbecks wrote:

SamZ4000 wrote: 250mg of test if fine however most guys start off at 500mg. 250mg of test will get the job done.

Thanks Samz

Can you take 500mg in one shot a week or do you do 2 shots per week?

Many would suggest 250mg x twice a week. Then if you like some other guys. Who dont like pinning 500mg at one go will also work.
Best option 2 shots a week (250/250).

Your help has been great and much appreacited guys. Will go with the 500mg for optimal results and then keep you guys updated. Got myself measured so will keep an eye on that

Dbecks wrote: Your help has been great and much appreacited guys. Will go with the 500mg for optimal results and then keep you guys updated. Got myself measured so will keep an eye on that

Keep us posted. Buddy

500 is good but take Arimadex for the gyno.

HendrikEW wrote: 500 is good but take Arimadex for the gyno.

Defintely getting that. DO you use it from the start or just when you need to?

Dbecks wrote:

HendrikEW wrote: 500 is good but take Arimadex for the gyno.

Defintely getting that. DO you use it from the start or just when you need to?

Only use it when needed. (If sides start cripping up startoff @ 0.5mg e3d). Then re calculate there after

Why only Test? Run D-bols at 25mg per day for the first 4 weeks to kick start the cycle and run Deca for the same period as the test. Do 300mg of Deca per week. You would see better results and make sure your diet is spot on.

To recap: Test C at 500mg per week (would suggest 250 + 250). 250mg on Monday and again on Thursday. Deca once a week a t 300mg and Dianabols every day at 25mg for the first 4 weeks.

Cornel wrote: Why only Test? Run D-bols at 25mg per day for the first 4 weeks to kick start the cycle and run Deca for the same period as the test. Do 300mg of Deca per week. You would see better results and make sure your diet is spot on.

To recap: Test C at 500mg per week (would suggest 250 + 250). 250mg on Monday and again on Thursday. Deca once a week a t 300mg and Dianabols every day at 25mg for the first 4 weeks.

You just missed the whole objective of this topic from Dbecks.
Read the whole topic then come back.

Test I would extend to 12 weeks. Cycle the Clen as you have been advised by Sam.. Also don't smash a high dose of Test or you will just get watery and look crap, and will need AI's etc.. 500mg as advised is great, I personally only pin once a week, but the choice is yours. Run the hCG from mid cycle until PCT starts. Good luck. I would throw Anavar in there now, to many androgens.. Maybe a SARM, GW? Will help keep you nice and hard and give you some crazy endurance in the gym.

00pump wrote: Test I would extend to 12 weeks. Cycle the Clen as you have been advised by Sam.. Also don't smash a high dose of Test or you will just get watery and look crap, and will need AI's etc.. 500mg as advised is great, I personally only pin once a week, but the choice is yours. Run the hCG from mid cycle until PCT starts. Good luck. I would throw Anavar in there now, to many androgens.. Maybe a SARM, GW? Will help keep you nice and hard and give you some crazy endurance in the gym.

Very big thank you for the advice!

Can I clarify?

1. You "would" or "wouldnt" throw Anavar in there?
2. When you advise not to do a high dose - you are saying that the 500mg is perfect to start with?


I think I am going to Pin once a week as well - thanks

Will be extending the Test to 12 weeks - awesome, thanks again!

I am checking out the Sarms as we speak..(doing my due dilligence in research)
- When would I start with it in my Test cycle?
- Which one would you recommend?

No don't throw the Anavar in, just a SARM (GW 5015), keep to just Test at 500mg so if something goes wrong you know straight away it's the test.

Run it for 8 weeks, have a break for 4 weeks and then run it through the time required before PCT and through PCT.

00pump wrote: No don't throw the Anavar in, just a SARM (GW 5015), keep to just Test at 500mg so if something goes wrong you know straight away it's the test.

Run it for 8 weeks, have a break for 4 weeks and then run it through the time required before PCT and through PCT.

Brilliant - thanks Pump!

I am also wanting to make sure about my PCT - where do I find the protocols?

TO further assist, could you help me with the following


- When do I start using HCG in the cycle? Doses?
- How long should I wait before starting the PCT?

Ok I found the PCT protocols - thanks for that guys

PCT one should be find correct?

If PCT one - How should HCG be used. When and what doses?

Wait 30 days after last test cyp injection then start PCT.

PCT will be fine for a test only cycle, however adding hcg to your cycle will aid in recovery.

Hoosain wrote: Wait 30 days after last test cyp injection then start PCT.

PCT will be fine for a test only cycle, however adding hcg to your cycle will aid in recovery.

Thanks bro. Was reading your posts (2016) on your Test Cyp + Var - great stuff. Helps with researching on what I actually will decide on