Clen, Tren Test & Anavar Cycle

Good day all,

Stats:

Gender: Male
Age: 32
Weight: 85
Height: 177cm
Diet: Clean and Strict since June 2015. 6 Meals a day. Protein solid with each meal. Whey Post Training and Before Bed
Progress: Dropped BF from 25% to 14%
Training: 6 days weight and cardio (20min high intensity every day)
Cycles: First Cycle 2013 - embarrassment; killed my receptors and took months to recover and learn the hard way.
Second Cycle July 2015 - HGH (Keifei 100IU x3 over 3 months), Test P, EQ, Primo, T Bol, Proviron. proper PCT (Clomid, Nolva, HCG)

Next Cycle (have on hand) - x50 tabs Clen, Tren A 10ml (100mg), x50 caps Anavar 20mg , Test P 20ml 100mg), GHRP-6 (x3 5mg) & CJC 1295 DAC (x3 5mg)

Goal: Loose belly fat, below 10% BF and rather lean than bulk.

I need some help putting my next cycle together and was thinking between the lines of:

GHRP-6 1IU, Mon. Wed. Fri (Daily at bed Time and not within 2 hours of last meal)
CJC 1295 DAC, together with the GHRP-6

Test P, 1ml Mon. Wed. Fri. (mornings)

Tren A, 1ml Mon. Wed. Fri. (together with Test P)

PCT: HCG 1IU during Cycle and continue for 21 days after Cycle. Clomid and Nolva, 3 days after last injection.

Questions:

At which stage should I run the Anavar and Clen?
Will I get more or less the same result, starting them together with the above or should i start with the 1 and phase in the other, if so which?
Should I bump up the dose or just run the same dosage Mon. to Fri.


Any help or a point into the right direction will be appreciated.

Thank you for reading.

You cannot let the tren a wait from Friday to Monday. Your mood swings will get the better of you and you will probably end up divorced. EOD minimal pinning Tren A

Your clen and var you run the last 6 weeks of your cycle before PCT starts

Your PCT doesn't make sense ???????

Thank you for your reply Oupa.

You've got me worried when you say my PCT does not make sence, please elaborate. Is it the HCG on Cycle or do I short something?

Noted on the var and clen thanks!

eatClen wrote:
PCT: HCG 1IU during Cycle and continue for 21 days after Cycle. Clomid and Nolva, 3 days after last injection.

Remember I don't assume you know what your doing if you say shit like - Clomid and Nolva 3 days after last injection...

Your Clomid should be @ 50mg for 14 days & Your Nolvadex @ 20mg for 30 days after the 14 day clomid period.

Then..

1IU HCG during your cycle? You should be using 500iu per week split into 2 shots of 250iu each. This will be used at that dose during your cycle right up to PCT

Then your PCT starts 2 days after your last ANAVAR tablet, not 3 days after your last injection because your longest ester is test prop, and that takes 14 days to clear. So if it was your last injection, your PCT would start 14 days after your last pin.

Confused or do you understand?

Morningzzzz

Just a quick add cjc 1295 DAC has a long half-life and calls for a weekly shot where as the w/o dac version calls for daily shots.

And really take Oupa's advice on the tren. If you can do ed inj it's even better.

Remember I don't assume you know what your doing if you say shit like - Clomid and Nolva 3 days after last injection...

I had a look at the PCT Protocols on this site and I now understand that there is a waiting period of AAS clearing the system as apposed to an acting half-life of an AAS. I was clearly under the false impression that you start PCT after the acting half-life to avoid test turning to estrogen.

1IU HCG during your cycle? You should be using 500iu per week split into 2 shots of 250iu each. This will be used at that dose during your cycle right up to PCT

Measuring of peptides seems to be always a confusing topic, at least to me.

On a 100IU slin pin, having reconstituted 2ml of B water, how much will a 500IU dose messure?
And on the same slin pin, having reconstituted with 3ml B water, how much will a 500IU dose messure?

Thank you for the info Oupa.

Just a quick add cjc 1295 DAC has a long half-life and calls for a weekly shot where as the w/o dac version calls for daily shots.

And really take Oupa's advice on the tren. If you can do ed inj it's even better.

Hello Fakey_AK,

Yes, I understand that cjc 1295 in general has a half-life of 1 week and a single shot decays by 10% a day. In theory it is probably not all that necessary to pin cjc 1295 dac 3 days a week but I guess I am trying to stick to a simple pinning regimen.

As for the Tren A and Test P, I will definitely do EOD, thanks!

Measuring of peptides seems to be always a confusing topic, at least to me.

On a 100IU slin pin, having reconstituted 2ml of B water, how much will a 500IU dose messure?
And on the same slin pin, having reconstituted with 3ml B water, how much will a 500IU dose messure?

Nevermind, I stumbled upon this and I actually understand it:

(Total hCG IU's / Total ML's of BAC Water) = X IU per ML

(X / total units on insulin syringe) = Y IU of hCG per unit

(Total hCG required per injection / Y) = Z units on an insulin syringe

So....

5000/5 = 1000 IU per ml

1000/100 = 10 IU of hCG per unit

500 IU/10 = 50 units on an insulin syringe (aka, 1/2 ml)

Don't use 5ml of sabac water that is unnecessary- just use 1ml or 2ml. Think about it- if 5000iu is 1ml, then how can 500iu be 1/2ml? 500iu is a tenth of 5000 so 1/10ml. One insulin syringe contains 1ml if you fill it up to the '100' mark. If you wanted 1/10ml then you would draw to the '10' mark. In your case you want to pin 250iu twice a week, you need to draw to the '5' mark.

EatClen,

Below is a post I did for Nate when he got confused about hCG. Just reading quickly here it seems you're mixing your ratios. If not I apologise, haven't read through in detail as my son was admitted to hospital today so just scanned quickly.

Cyclo wrote:

Nate40 wrote: Not even close sorry man. Totally lost on this one.
Need to sleep on this. For the moment I drop the pregnyl.
Thanks for trying guys

Nate, I think you've worked yourself up into a tizz here. Work through it with me.

1 vial of Pregnyl contains 5000 International Units (IU) of HCG.

You add 1ml of water to enable the stuff to be injected.

Therefore you have 5000IU of HCG per 1ml of water.

Are you still with me.

if there is 5000IU/1ml, then it follows that
there is: 2500IU/0.5ml (divide both sides by 2)
1000IU/0.2ml (divide both sides by 5)
500IU/0.1ml (divide both sides by 10)

Does this make sense? If you have 5000IU per ml then you also have 500IU per 0.1ml
You want 250IU twice a week which is 500IU per week.

Therefore you want to inject 0.1ml per week in total. (500IU per 0.1ml)

Now forget units.

You split this up in two as you inject twice per week. Thus you have 0.1ml divided by 2 which gives you 0.05ml

Therefore you have to inject 0.05ml twice a week.

On an insulin syringe the volume (ml is designated as units. i.e. 1 Unit = 0.01ml. 10 Units = 0.1ml etc)

Therefore 0.05ml = 5 Units.

Pyroclasm wrote: Don't use 5ml of sabac water that is unnecessary- just use 1ml or 2ml. Think about it- if 5000iu is 1ml, then how can 500iu be 1/2ml? 500iu is a tenth of 5000 so 1/10ml. One insulin syringe contains 1ml if you fill it up to the '100' mark. If you wanted 1/10ml then you would draw to the '10' mark. In your case you want to pin 250iu twice a week, you need to draw to the '5' mark.

I hope this isn't hijacking: is there any benefit to using 1ml as opposed to 2ml? The sabex water that comes with my hcg comes in a 2ml tube, so I use all of it (therefore pin 10 units on the slin syringe 2 x week). Is there any benefit to having it "less diluted" as per above (mixing with 1ml water). I understand the actual amount of hcg injected is the same either way, but wondered if having a more concentrated injection is more effective.

Iron K

I don't think it makes any difference, besides how much water you have to push into the skin. I also reconstitute with 2ml and pin 10 units twice a week.

IronKobra767 wrote:

Pyroclasm wrote: Don't use 5ml of sabac water that is unnecessary- just use 1ml or 2ml. Think about it- if 5000iu is 1ml, then how can 500iu be 1/2ml? 500iu is a tenth of 5000 so 1/10ml. One insulin syringe contains 1ml if you fill it up to the '100' mark. If you wanted 1/10ml then you would draw to the '10' mark. In your case you want to pin 250iu twice a week, you need to draw to the '5' mark.

I hope this isn't hijacking: is there any benefit to using 1ml as opposed to 2ml? The sabex water that comes with my hcg comes in a 2ml tube, so I use all of it (therefore pin 10 units on the slin syringe 2 x week). Is there any benefit to having it "less diluted" as per above (mixing with 1ml water). I understand the actual amount of hcg injected is the same either way, but wondered if having a more concentrated injection is more effective.

Iron K

Not at all bud.

Me again,

So I have been thinking how much mg of T Prop to take with my upcoming cycle knowing that I only have 50mg per ml of my 20ml vial.





With 2 Cycles behind me where I've used 100mg eod, will it be a waste of time to now do 50mg eod or should I just stick to 100mg (2ml) eod together with 100mg (1ml) Tren A eod?

Thank you for the info all!

My opinion 1/2ml of each every day

Fakey_AK wrote: My opinion 1/2ml of each every day

Hey Fakey_AK!

Wait what? 1/2ml of each.

Meaning 25mg TProp and 50mg TrenA ED?

yip 25mg test prop will give you above baseline levels somewhere around 175mg test a week and as for the tren you will be getting 350mg a week ( sweet spot ) this estro is low lessening the chances of estro sides that convert progesterone and so on and so on

Try it and if its too low ( like libido issues ) dose up test to .75-100mg ed.

I have personally done this with great success. But pinning everyday is essential.

Thanks for the info Fakey_AK.

The thought of sticking a needle up my ass every day seems kinda painful. I mean I am use to EOD pinning and usually just change between ass cheeks without pain.

Worse is the thought of sticking a needle in ANY other muscle group. It sounds challenging.

Choices choices....

docdro.id/bkLjq8e - This is a link to my uploaded Cycle


Ok, so before I start my cycle in Jan. I would appreciate anyone willing to comment on this cycle even if is to say that I have no clue what I am doing and explain why. I am here to learn like the rest, so I value your input.

What I have on hand is in my very first post of this thread and my Cycle has been put together around these quantities. If I need to add to quantities on any of the substances in order to get the sweet spot, or to avoid wasting the potential of the cycle, please let me know.

If you think quantities are fine but I should change the order of any, let me know.

Thanks for taking the time.

eatClen, I am curious as to why you are running anavar at the very beginning of a cycle then using some clen afterwards?

From what I have read and heard, the leaner you are the better your results will be with anavar - wouldn't it then perhaps be a better idea to rather start the cycle with some clen and then keep the anavar for the end of the cycle after some additional weight loss from the clen?

Thank you very much for your reply PsyCLown,

I have chosen to run Anavar at the beginning purely because of the strength gain properties, that would run alongside TProp (only running at 50mg)

Current BF around 14% so if you feel I would get more out of this Cycle by running VAR at the end I will be happy to give it a shot. Anyone else that can concur with this please?

PsyCLown, how do you feel about the hCG through the Cycle and stopping before PCT? Should I leave as is or continue right to the end?

Thanks Bud!

UPDATED CYCLE

Changes:

TProp and TrenA running together.
Clen starts after TrenA
VAR starts after Clen
Finishing of with PCT, continuing running hCG for 21 days at start of PCT.

Any comments please?

Thank you,

Hi, Clen.

Drop the HCG 2Days before PCT starts.
I would also wait one more day before starting Clomid as you start taking it the very same day that your test clears.
Just my view and input.

All the best and good luck.

Hallo @Rooi Bul 86,

Thank you for your input; any specific reasoning as to why I have to stop the hCG prior to PCT start?

Noted on the Clomid thanks!

The HCG desensitises your testes to the LH and FSH stimulating and GnRH response that the Clomid will give you. This is why HCG is better on cycle and the two SERMS for PCT. Also first run the Clomid on its own for two weeks @ 50mg per day preps bed. Then Nolvadex @ 20mg per day pre bed for 30/60 days