Intermediate bulking cycle - site sample cycle

Just for you to know, new to the forum, been reading for a couple of months now and need a bit of advice. 31 years old, 1.78m, 84kg, 2 beginner cycles under my belt, last cycle was about 6 years back. Diet sorted, training sorted...

Had to teak a break from gym for the last 4 years, between a hectic career change and the new laaitjies time to gym was just not available.

Been training like a machine again now for about 6 months and I’ve decided it’s time for some extra motivation

Been following a lean diet to get my body fat down to about 12-15% and I’m getting there
looking to start with my cycle at the end of May.

I was thinking of doing the exact intermediate bulking cycle but here are the questions:
- According to what I read from the more experienced users on the site, why don’t you change the deca to npp?
- I’m definitely looking at keeping my diet super clean and as lean as possible, what added compound will help for leaner gains?
- And then when it comes to manufacturers – obviously this site (and in my opinion the only decent forum in SA) is prone pgw, the last two cycles I did was both axio…
- My question is, what is your honest opinion on axio products? My dealer can supply me with, axio, pgw, nomad, LP, Alpha pharma, syntrop
- Because I’ve been out of the game for a while, I just want to make sure!!

Your help will be highly appreciated!

What were your approx stats after your last cycle? Have you lost a lot etc. The reason I ask is that my advice would be to get as close as possible to what you used to be before cycling again. If you are bulking then I recommend getting your bf down to 12-13% at the highest. I really don't recommend bulking to anyone over that percentage. PGW and Axio are both safe bets, since you can get both then just look at the prices and the concentrations of the respective compounds and choose the one that you prefer. Stay away from Nomad

Hormonas, thank you for the feedback!
i have lost about 5kg from my last cycle, but still in decent shape.
have had a positive muscle memory since I've started gyming again.

will work on getting my bf below 13% before I start with the cycle. even if I have to do it later in the year. been eating well for the last 6 months and training has been going great!

in your opinion, have you looked at the mentioned cycle? what would your suggestions be, npp or deca??
leaner gains, is there a added product that you would suggest.

thanks for your help bud! i was hoping for you to reply

Franc are you in IT?

Hi pump! no bud, why? :lol:

actually imports bud!

Francois if u haven't tried pgw before do urself a favour and try it.

@lobo.. I havent tried pgw, but leaning towards it after all my reading!

What is PGW - sorry I'm new to this.

Rocket wrote: What is PGW - sorry I'm new to this.

Stuff muscles are made of

Mason Might wrote:

Rocket wrote: What is PGW - sorry I'm new to this.

Stuff muscles are made of

:lol: PGW is Precision gear works - a steroid manufacturer

Mason Might wrote:

Rocket wrote: What is PGW - sorry I'm new to this.

Stuff muscles are made of

@Mason, what is your thoughts on my original questions?

Bud in my honest opinion 6 months back in the gym is awesome but you have family and work to consider. You know things can pop up and disrupt you and in turn have adverse effects on your goals and cycle.

That said, only you know if you're ready for it right now or not. Get your BF down and let's see where you are in May...

Perhaps have a look at a simpler cycle first? Test With a dbol kickstart and winny bridge.

And obviously PGW

Francois13 wrote: Hormonas, thank you for the feedback!
i have lost about 5kg from my last cycle, but still in decent shape.
have had a positive muscle memory since I've started gyming again.

will work on getting my bf below 13% before I start with the cycle. even if I have to do it later in the year. been eating well for the last 6 months and training has been going great!

in your opinion, have you looked at the mentioned cycle? what would your suggestions be, npp or deca??
leaner gains, is there a added product that you would suggest.

thanks for your help bud! i was hoping for you to reply

If you keep your weight around where it currently is and just drop your bf to around 13% then I think you will be good to go on that cycle. I have looked at it before and I think you should go with NPP. I would say that NPP carries less sides, less water, more lean muscle growth and is out of your system quite a bit quicker too, should there be any unexpected/unwanted sides.

In my experience, more people complain about holding water or getting what is known as a "blurred" physique from Deca and for someone coming from 6% that could be acceptable but if you are trying really hard to cut down to the lower body fat percentages - you don't want to see your hard earned physique disappearing under a layer of water

I love Deca due to it's higher concentration but I am lean so I can afford to carry that water You may not enjoy it but it is your choice, your budget and your body.

Francois13 wrote:
I was thinking of doing the exact intermediate bulking cycle but here are the questions:
- According to what I read from the more experienced users on the site, why don’t you change the deca to npp? Because a long esters was used and only a once a week pin schedule. You cannot pin NPP once a week, and you dont want a pinning mixup schedule. Keep it simple or switch over all you compounds to prop esters.
- I’m definitely looking at keeping my diet super clean and as lean as possible, what added compound will help for leaner gains? That is a bulk cycle, not for lean lean gains. Dont do a bulk cycle and use low calories, that defeats the object of bulking.
- And then when it comes to manufacturers – obviously this site (and in my opinion the only decent forum in SA) is prone pgw, the last two cycles I did was both axio…
- My question is, what is your honest opinion on axio products? My dealer can supply me with, axio, pgw, nomad, LP, Alpha pharma, syntrop I would rate the injectables PGW then Alpha Pharma and Orals LP then Nomad
- Because I’ve been out of the game for a while, I just want to make sure!!

Hormonas wrote:

Francois13 wrote: Hormonas, thank you for the feedback!
i have lost about 5kg from my last cycle, but still in decent shape.
have had a positive muscle memory since I've started gyming again.

will work on getting my bf below 13% before I start with the cycle. even if I have to do it later in the year. been eating well for the last 6 months and training has been going great!

in your opinion, have you looked at the mentioned cycle? what would your suggestions be, npp or deca??
leaner gains, is there a added product that you would suggest.

thanks for your help bud! i was hoping for you to reply

If you keep your weight around where it currently is and just drop your bf to around 13% then I think you will be good to go on that cycle. I have looked at it before and I think you should go with NPP. I would say that NPP carries less sides, less water, more lean muscle growth and is out of your system quite a bit quicker too, should there be any unexpected/unwanted sides.

In my experience, more people complain about holding water or getting what is known as a "blurred" physique from Deca and for someone coming from 6% that could be acceptable but if you are trying really hard to cut down to the lower body fat percentages - you don't want to see your hard earned physique disappearing under a layer of water

I love Deca due to it's higher concentration but I am lean so I can afford to carry that water You may not enjoy it but it is your choice, your budget and your body.

thank you buddy! appreciate your feedback!

Oupa wrote:

Francois13 wrote:
I was thinking of doing the exact intermediate bulking cycle but here are the questions:
- According to what I read from the more experienced users on the site, why don’t you change the deca to npp? Because a long esters was used and only a once a week pin schedule. You cannot pin NPP once a week, and you dont want a pinning mixup schedule. Keep it simple or switch over all you compounds to prop esters.
- I’m definitely looking at keeping my diet super clean and as lean as possible, what added compound will help for leaner gains? That is a bulk cycle, not for lean lean gains. Dont do a bulk cycle and use low calories, that defeats the object of bulking.
- And then when it comes to manufacturers – obviously this site (and in my opinion the only decent forum in SA) is prone pgw, the last two cycles I did was both axio…
- My question is, what is your honest opinion on axio products? My dealer can supply me with, axio, pgw, nomad, LP, Alpha pharma, syntrop I would rate the injectables PGW then Alpha Pharma and Orals LP then Nomad
- Because I’ve been out of the game for a while, I just want to make sure!!

Hi Oupa! was hoping for your feedback...

that makes sense! i prefer pinning once per week anyways, so I will stick with Deca!!
oupa, I meant super clean to get my body fat down to about 12% before the cycle, then I'll moer the diet again to bulk :lol:
ok guys, so it seems like PGW and LP her I come :ohmy:

one more thing, I get the reasoning behind using pregnyl on-cycle
why use ovidrel again in pct? my supplier can not get ovidrel, do I use pregnyl again?

please help

Francois13 wrote: one more thing, I get the reasoning behind using pregnyl on-cycle
why use ovidrel again in pct? my supplier can not get ovidrel, do I use pregnyl again?

please help

If you use pregnyl/HCG thoroughout your cycle then you do not need HCG/Ovidrel during PCT and can use a lower dose of Aromasin in PCT3.

Thanks MA! Thats what I thought as well... if you look at the intermediate bulking cycle on the site, this is what they suggested

so the cycle looks like this, and I feel it should be sufficient for my body weight and goals:

Cycle:
day 1 - 20 50mg LP Dianabol per day
week 1 - 14 600mg PGW Testen300 per week
week 1 - 12 350mg PGW Deca350 per week
week 3 - 12 250IU Adcock Pregnyl (HCG) per week

week 16 - 20 30mg LP Winstrol per day - bridge

PCT:
week 21 - 22 100mg LP Clomid per day
week 22 - 26 20mg LP Aromasin per day
week 22 - 26 20mg LP Nolva per day

DONE, can seriously not wait anymore!!

PCT QUESTIONS, :huh: the more I read the more I get confused :silly:
I don't want to complicate things for me and get confused, so please give your knowledgeable advice

does the pct look fine?

I read on other posts that aromasin must be used before clomid?
I used the HCG on cycle so no need during pct?

I can get femara or letroplex from my supplier, never been sensitive before but just in case, which one should I choose? should I just keep it on hand?

I can get Cabaser 4 tabs vir XXX, should I just keep this on hand and when would you guys suggest I use it? or should I run it as precautionary - how would you normally run this?

sorry for all the questions, I'm just trying to make sure I follow the right protocol

Francois13 wrote: so the cycle looks like this, and I feel it should be sufficient for my body weight and goals:

Cycle:
day 1 - 20 50mg LP Dianabol per day
week 1 - 14 600mg PGW Testen300 per week
week 1 - 12 350mg PGW Deca350 per week
week 3 - 12 250IU Adcock Pregnyl (HCG) per week ( 500iu per week )

week 16 - 20 30mg LP Winstrol per day - bridge ( I would do 40 - 50 mg )

PCT:
week 21 - 22 100mg LP Clomid per day (thats fine or use 50mg ED for 2 weeks )
week 22 - 26 20mg LP Aromasin per day ( you can run this while you on cycle 20mg E3D )
week 22 - 26 20mg LP Nolva per day

DONE, can seriously not wait anymore!!

PCT QUESTIONS, :huh: the more I read the more I get confused :silly:
I don't want to complicate things for me and get confused, so please give your knowledgeable advice

does the pct look fine? Yes

I read on other posts that aromasin must be used before clomid? Correct
I used the HCG on cycle so no need during pct? Correct

I can get femara or letroplex from my supplier, never been sensitive before but just in case, which one should I choose? should I just keep it on hand? Same thing.. If you use aromasin on cycle you can keep letro on hand

I can get Cabaser 4 tabs vir XXX, should I just keep this on hand and when would you guys suggest I use it? or should I run it as precautionary - how would you normally run this?1st. No price discussions. Last warning.

As for cabaser - you take the little white tablet and split it in half. That will give you 0.5mg. Take half a tablet every 5th day.

sorry for all the questions, I'm just trying to make sure I follow the right protocol

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week 3 - 12 250IU Adcock Pregnyl (HCG) per week ( 500iu per week )
thanks oups, noted

week 16 - 20 30mg LP Winstrol per day - bridge ( I would do 40 - 50 mg )
will do 40mg pd

PCT:
week 21 - 22 100mg LP Clomid per day (thats fine or use 50mg ED for 2 weeks )
ok, will do 50mg ED for 2 weeks

week 22 - 26 20mg LP Aromasin per day ( you can run this while you on cycle 20mg E3D )
how long do I cycle before you suggest I start the aromasin for every 3rd day and when do I stop taking it?



I can get femara or letroplex from my supplier, never been sensitive before but just in case, which one should I choose? should I just keep it on hand? Same thing.. If you use aromasin on cycle you can keep letro on hand
will do

1st. No price discussions. Last warning.
sorry, my mistake

As for cabaser - you take the little white tablet and split it in half. That will give you 0.5mg. Take half a tablet every 5th day.
again oupa, when do I start taking half a tablet every 5th day en when do I stop?

week 22 - 26 20mg LP Aromasin per day ( you can run this while you on cycle 20mg E3D )
how long do I cycle before you suggest I start the aromasin for every 3rd day and when do I stop taking it?



As for cabaser - you take the little white tablet and split it in half. That will give you 0.5mg. Take half a tablet every 5th day.
again oupa, when do I start taking half a tablet every 5th day en when do I stop?[/quote]

Oupa, MA, anyone, please just assist with these two questions. it will be highly appreciated.

I would start both from day 1.

AI I'd start from week 1. I'd start the cabaser a few weeks in. That's not a lot of deca and it takes a while to build up to high levels in your bloodstream.