First Cycle Help

Good Day Gents,

After some help from Mason Might I was able to find the beginner bulking cycle on this site.

my original post was

Deca durabolan - 400mg per week for 8 weeks (i.e 1ml twice a week)
Sustanon 250 - 500mg per week for 8 weeks (i.e 1ml twice a week)
Dianabol - 30mg ED, for 6 weeks (first 6 weeks)
Arimidex on hand

PCT cycle will start 58 days after the last sust injection. (According to www.anabolicsteroids.co.za/articles/info...9-post-cycle-therapy )
Day 1-7: - Clomiphene citrate (Clomid 50mg) is used as 50 mg twice daily for full 7 days.
Day 8-37: - Tamoxifene citrate (Nolvadex 20mg) at 20mg per day for full 30 days.

My details are
Height 1.90m
Weight 95kg
Age 26
Body Fat 20%

Diet : try to stick to - 10760 kJ (2572 calories)
- protein 50%
- carbs 30%
- fat 20%

What do you guys think of this stack as a first cycle?

But now ive decided to rather go with your beginner bulk cycle.

I currently train on a 5day split.

Is there anything i need to change as this will be my first cycle.

Also, ive read up about Hcg and i understand why it is used in the recommended No2 PCT, but what i cant find is how to mix the freeze-dried powder as well as where to administer the intramuscular injection...

Any help will be greatly appreciated.

like everybody advised me! rather keep it simple for your first cycle.

try-- www.anabolicsteroids.co.za/images/downlo...e-cycles/Cycle-1.pdf

advice that was given to me,

Steenkamp wrote: you have to take small steps so you know how your body responds to the different compounds, and as it is going to be your fist cycle you will have great results on the beginner cycle,

OK awesome decision bud...

Now let me throw a spanner in the work.

Rather run your HCG in cycle and omit it from PCT. 250iu x2 week when you pin test.
Some evidence that it interferes with SERMS.

Have you thought about a bridge before PCT?
Winny is a nice option here.

Try get some LIV 52 and use this 2 weeks before you start any orals and two weeks after your last oral.

Thanks for the advice guys.

Endocrinology, i really appreciate the advice! I have decided to rather run the beginner bulk cycle found on this site.

Mason might, with regards to running my Hcg while i pin test, isnt that what the arimidex is for?

I hadnt considered a bridge... its my understanding that a bridge is between 2cycles, i.e if you go from a bulk to a cut... i could be seriously mis informed though...
I know winnie is nice for cutting so maybe i wasnt too far off?

I will most definitely get some LIV 52 and follow your instructions.

Oh and by how much am i going to need to increase my calories? The diet listed is what i am currently on...

Toxic, your "bridge" period that MM is talking about is the period of time after your last injection and before your PCT while you wait for the Testosterone in your case to clear your system. In this period you are not taking any more Test so MM suggested you take winstrol to keep yourself anabolic and to "harden up" the gains you will have made.

Oh i see, that makes sense.
lol so i was misinformed.

Wont the bridge complicate my cycle though? This is my first cycle so wanted to keep it simple... if it is simple, however, then i will definitely consider it.

Thanks for clearing that up for me wizzard.

Personally I always run a bridge.. It is just a nice addition to your cycle and I do not see it as complicated. We like to maximise what we get out of our cycles. However, if you don't feel like you want to add it then it's completely up to you bud!

I definitely want to get the most out of my cycle and maintain as much of the gains as possible.
And i will do whatever i have to :evil:

So my whole cycle and PCT schedule stays the same, all that i do extra is take winni after the test?
What would the dose be?

If you are running the beginners cycle, I would take winny at 30-40mg per day from week 11-15.

Don't do what ever you have to do, do what ever you can do safely after checking with the members on this forum!

Ok cool, ill go read up on "bridging" and decide from there.

Do you have any advice for me on my diet?
Im currently on 2572 calories per day.

I know that when on a cycle you should up your intake but to where?
Also, do i gradually increase my intake towards till mid cycle and then gradually decrease towards end?
Im aware that timing is crucial during cycles so just want to be sure.

20% bodyfat with dbols... rethink boys.

Oupa, please would you elaborate?
If there are any changes i need to make to my cycle please advise.

As mentioned earlier in the thread, this is my first cycle, so really want to try get my cycle right.

Never even saw that.

Bud, at 20% you'd be better off trying to reduce body fat to 12 before starting a cycle.
You're taking on unnecessary risk at 20%.

Where was this measurement taken?

My measurements were taken at gym...

I had no idea that 20% body fat increases my risk.
MM would you be so kind as to give me a link where i can go read up about the increased risk with higher body fat? Ill also search this forum and see if i can find anything.
Thank you for the heads up!

Shit I also completely missed that.. MM you and I are in the same boat! Yeah bud try get that bodyfat down before going on cycle.

High body fat have a direct correlation to aromatization. dbols + test + high bodyfat = increases estrogen side effects including shit as man boobs (gyno)

If you do decide to run this cycle with high bodyfat, you MUST use aromasin or a maintenance dose letro or adex.

I would not risk it, and would re-look at something else.

I'm not going to hunt a link for you bud. This information is anecdotal.

You see the thing with a higher percentage is that testosterones affinity to aromatise increases greatly.

More estrogen means higher risk of associated sides. These include Gyno and high blood pressure.

You will have far better results and a smoother cycle of you Drop Body fat first.

When you say at the gym? with a skin fold caliper or that machine at Virgin?

duly noted, thanks gents.

i will definitely work to get my body fat down first then.

MM, sorry bud, i didnt mean that you have to hunt for a link for me, i thought you might have on hand.
Your, and oupa's, explanation makes sense though and filled in the blanks for me.

I got a reading from that machine at virgin, is it seriously inaccurate?
Recon ill get it measured with the skin fold caliper just to be sure.

post a photo and block your face. we will give you an idea where you at with bf.

I would appreciate that, thank you.
I will post one tonight when i get home.

Read up on Test + Proviron + Winstrol for a first cycle.

Thanks oupa, i will definitely read up about that stack.

Oupa, based on what i can find, the Test + Proviron + Winstrol stack is for cutting and the Proviron, even though it is listed as an anabolic steroid, acts as the anti-estrogen.

Everywhere i have looked they said that you should have 16% bf for this to really work...?
Is that true?

If so then wont it be better for me to drop my bf to 12%, as i would have to drop it anyway, and just do the beginner bulk cycle?

I also know that winny is known for its lean mass gains without added estrogenic side-effects like water-retention.

Did you suggest this as something i could use now to "aid" in fat burning as well as bulk?

Sorry for the noob questions, im trying to wrap my head around all of this, there is SO MUCH that you need to know.

Bud, your diet depends your bulk or cut. Obviously bulking on 12% body fat would yield much better VISIBLE results. Lower bf better results.

Post your photo tonight and lets take it from there.