Heritage - 2nd Cycle Advise

Hi Gents,

Doing some planning on my second cycle.

It's gonna cost a bit so, want to start planning so my stay at home wife can remain
a stay at home wife.

Plan to be at 10% B/F when starting this cycle in Feb 2015.

Goals: Pick up lean muscle, no bloating and lower or keep b/f the same.

Cycle:
LP T-bol @ 60mg ED - 5 Weeks (Kicker)
PGW Test Prop @ 600mg P/W - 17 Weeks (200mg Mon/Wed/Sat)
PGW Equipoise @ 525mg P/W - 12 Weeks (525mg Mon)
LP Proviron @ 50mg ED - 19 Weeks
LP Winstrol @ 50mg ED - 6 Weeks (Bridge Week 14-19)
HGC @ 500ui P/W - (250ui Mon/Thur) From week 4 - 19

On Cycle AI - LP Adex at 0.2mg ED
Would also keep Letro on hand

PCT 3
Clomid 100mg ED (50/50) - Day 1-7
Aromasin 20mg ED - Day 8-37
Nolvadex 20mg ED - Day 8-37


How does it look?

After 10 weeks of a Prop cycle pinning 3 times a week one normally is GATVOL of injections and no amount of stay at home wife can fix that. You feel like a pin cushion. Also 17 weeks of prop is complete overkill rather use a longer ester test like cyp or Enanthate. Then what you can do is frontload with prop and use it jn yiur bridge again.

For equipoise, if you want to run it for 12 weeks you will need to frontload, otherwise minimum 15 weeks to get the full effects.

Yep I can't see any point to running test prop for that long.

Thanks Pyro & MA,

I hear you on the prop. Currently at the end of week 7 of 12 weeks prop 3PW (Don't seem to mind the pinning to much though).

My reasoning behind the Prop was that 3 of the compounds in the suggested cycle are in my current cycle with little to no sides (Bar the Winny as I'll only start that in the bridge but I've used that before). I was worried about swapping to long esters as I'm not sure what the sides would be, and how would I Identify the problem compound as the long ester, proviron and Equi would all be new?
But if you reckon 3 new compounds is ok. Cheaper, Less Pins = I'm game!

When you say frontload with the Equi what dosage would you recommend and for how long?

If anything proviron will make a problem compound better so no need to worry about proviron.

I am not very comfortable sharing frontloading protocols for EQ because if you overdo it the EQ will kick your ass with anxiety and paranoia. You need to find what you can handle. A great point to start is:

For the first 3 weeks, pin double the dosage. Normally if you are pinning more than a gram of EQ you belong in a looney bin, but it is perfectly safe at the start because your blood plasma concentration is zero.

Your adex dosage is that of someone combating gyno. If you run it as a precentive measure from the start you need less, normally 0.25mg twice a week is good, and if symptoms start then bump it up to 0.25mg EOD. You want to keep the dosage of your AI as low as possible.

Roger that Pyro,

Not keen for the double doses.
Will do more research and post a revised cycle next week. Including long ester and equi for 16 weeks.

Thanks for the advice - as always much appreciated.

Maybe I'm batting a bit above my average with that cycle.

Maybe I'll hold of the equi for awhile.

Intermediate lean mass and strength cycle looks more up my alley.

Can I bump up the test cyp though?
250mg twice a week instead of once? Swop the anavar(it really drops my sex drive) for winnies and then it looks like a winner?

Always pin cyp twice a week to keep sides to a min my bud so that will be 500mg per week split in two shots of 250mg per pin.

I much prefer winnie to anavar, better results IMO and cheaper to use.

A nice cycle is cyp 500mg for 12 weeks and NPP 450mg for 10 weeks. Nice lean bulk pending your diet. NPP kicks in fairly quick. Won't break the bank either.

Heritage wrote: Maybe I'm batting a bit above my average with that cycle.

Maybe I'll hold of the equi for awhile.

Intermediate lean mass and strength cycle looks more up my alley.

Can I bump up the test cyp though?
250mg twice a week instead of once? Swop the anavar(it really drops my sex drive) for winnies and then it looks like a winner?

EQ must be one of my favourite compounds and it is so mild that it is suitable for a first cycle at 525mg/week. Deca/NPP would be the next level of AAS use so I would advise you first give Equipoise a solid go before using Nandrolone.

I am thinking my low libido was also caused by anavar. Thanks for that feedback bro.

@ Fillet, Thank you - will definitely give it a go at some stage...I'm not ready to take 19 nors yet. Will get a few more cycles under belt first.

@ Forum + Pyro,

Revised second cycle - Changes in bold:

Cycle:
LP T-bol @ 60mg ED: Week 1 - 5 (Kicker)
PGW Test Cyp @ 500mg P/W: Week 1 - 18 Weeks (250mg Wed/Sat)
PGW Equipoise @ 600mg P/W: Week 1 - 16 Weeks (600mg Mon)
LP Proviron @ 50mg ED - Week 1 - 23 Weeks
LP Winstrol @ 50mg ED - Week 18 - 23 Weeks (Bridge Week 18-23)
HGC @ 500ui P/W - (250ui Mon/Thur) From week 4 - 23

On Cycle AI - LP Adex at 0.2mg E3D
Will also keep Letro on hand

PCT 3
Clomid 100mg ED (50/50) - Day 1-7
Aromasin 20mg ED - Day 8-37
Nolvadex 20mg ED - Day 8-37

My Questions:

1) Should I throw in some Test Prop while on the whinny bridge, even if the Test P will only be for 3 weeks?
2)As bang for buck goes - is it beneficial to start the proviron so early, or should I only start it later once more free test is available?
3) Should I pin the Equi Twice a week @ 300mg or Once a week at 600mg?

Thanks in advance.

This looks like an awesome cycle Heritage.
No anavar?

Nate40 wrote: This looks like an awesome cycle Heritage.
No anavar?

Hi Nate,

Would only be able to use it as a bridge. But my personal preference for that is Winny. Better results and doesn't drop my sex drive like var does.

Okay cool.
I think var definitely hurt my sex drive, so maybe I should consider Winstrol for bridge too.
You thinking of taking it in combination with Test Prop during bridge?

Heritage wrote: @ Fillet, Thank you - will definitely give it a go at some stage...I'm not ready to take 19 nors yet. Will get a few more cycles under belt first. When you ready mate, i used it in my 2nd cycle

@ Forum + Pyro,

Revised second cycle - Changes in bold:

Cycle:
LP T-bol @ 60mg ED: Week 1 - 5 (Kicker)
PGW Test Cyp @ 500mg P/W: Week 1 - 18 Weeks (250mg Wed/Sat)
PGW Equipoise @ 600mg P/W: Week 1 - 16 Weeks (600mg Mon) I would use 700mg at your weight
LP Proviron @ 50mg ED - Week 1 - 23 Weeks IMO, big waste of tonk, if you like use in your bridge
LP Winstrol @ 50mg ED - Week 18 - 23 Weeks (Bridge Week 18-23)
HGC @ 500ui P/W - (250ui Mon/Thur) From week 4 - 23

On Cycle AI - LP Adex at 0.2mg E3D
Will also keep Letro on hand

PCT 3
Clomid 100mg ED (50/50) - Day 1-7 Day 1 to 14 50mg daily
Aromasin 20mg ED - Day 8-37
Nolvadex 20mg ED - Day 8-37

My Questions:

1) Should I throw in some Test Prop while on the whinny bridge, even if the Test P will only be for 3 weeks? I do in my bridge and stop 14 days before pct
2)As bang for buck goes - is it beneficial to start the proviron so early, or should I only start it later once more free test is available?
3) Should I pin the Equi Twice a week @ 300mg or Once a week at 600mg? Pin twice my bud

Thanks in advance.

The above is just my opinion but you will get lots of opinions.

We posted almost same time Pyro haha.

Heritage wrote: @ Fillet, Thank you - will definitely give it a go at some stage...I'm not ready to take 19 nors yet. Will get a few more cycles under belt first.

@ Forum + Pyro,

Revised second cycle - Changes in bold:

Cycle:
LP T-bol @ 60mg ED: Week 1 - 5 (Kicker)
PGW Test Cyp @ 500mg P/W: Week 1 - 18 Weeks (250mg Wed/Sat)
PGW Equipoise @ 600mg P/W: Week 1 - 16 Weeks (600mg Mon) PGW is 350mg/ml. So pin 1.5ml per week. It's potent!
LP Proviron @ 50mg ED - Week 1 - 23 Weeks
LP Winstrol @ 50mg ED - Week 18 - 23 Weeks (Bridge Week 18-23)
HGC @ 500ui P/W - (250ui Mon/Thur) From week 4 - 23

On Cycle AI - LP Adex at 0.2mg E3D As an alternative you could also run Aromasin on cycle. I.m.o works better for longer cycles.
Will also keep Letro on hand

PCT 3
Clomid 100mg ED (50/50) - Day 1-7 Day 1-14 @50mg ED
Aromasin 20mg ED - Day 8-37 Start day 15
Nolvadex 20mg ED - Day 8-37 Start day 15

My Questions:

1) Should I throw in some Test Prop while on the whinny bridge, even if the Test P will only be for 3 weeks?
No
2)As bang for buck goes - is it beneficial to start the proviron so early, or should I only start it later once more free test is available?
If you are at all concerned about the bucks then run proviron only with your DHT (winstrol in this case). You are already using an on cycle AI so you will get even less benefit from the proviron.
3) Should I pin the Equi Twice a week @ 300mg or Once a week at 600mg?
Since you are pinning the Cyp twice a week, pin EQ with it. EQ will also make the cyp pins smoother.

Thanks in advance.

If that cycle was a person, it would be Kate Beckinsale in her Underworld suit.

FIllet wrote: We posted almost same time Pyro haha.

Great minds think alike!

Nate40 wrote: Okay cool.
I think var definitely hurt my sex drive, so maybe I should consider Winstrol for bridge too.
You thinking of taking it in combination with Test Prop during bridge?

I was considering it. But I'd only be running it for three weeks, which would seem to be a bit of a waste. I'll run the Winstrol and Proviron as Fillet and Pyro Suggested.

@ Fillet & Pyro, Thanks guys will post a finalized cycle for last inspection shortly.

waiting..... lol

Oupa wrote: waiting..... lol

Haha...Sorry Oupa hope you weren't holding your breath!

Cycle:
LP T-Bol: 60mg ED (Day 1 - 33) +- 4 Weeks
PGW Test Cyp: 500mg P/W @ 250mg(1ml) Sat/Wed (Day 1 - 126) 18 Weeks
PGW Equip: 525mg P/W @ 262.5mg(0.75ml) Sat/Wed (Day 1 - 112) 16 Weeks
LP Winstrol: 50mg ED (Day 120 - 160) 5 Weeks
LP Proviron: 50mg ED (Day 120 - 160) 5 Weeks
HCG: 500ui P/W @ 250ui Sat/Wed (Day 28 - 155) Week 4 - 22
& 1000ui for week 23 @ 500ui Sat/Wed (Day 155 - 162)

On cycle AI: LP Adex @ 0.2mg E3D (Will Up if needed)

Post Cycle to Start Day 162 (50 Days after last Equi Pin)

Clomid @ 50mg ED (Day 162 - 176) 14 Days
Aromasin @ 20mg ED (Day 177 - 207) 30 Days
Nolvadex @ 20mg ED (Day 177 - 207) 30 Days

On hand: Letro

If I've missed something please let me know.

@ Fillet & Pyro, thank you for all the input it is much appreciated...I have not used all of your suggestions like Fillets increasing the test dose and Pyro's using aromasin as the AI but feel comfortable with the above cycle, you guys have helped tons!

Haha, now to finish off my current cycle which I'm loving and fight like hell to get my BF to 10% to be ready for cycle come Feb.

As always Heritage, you have prepped so well for all your cycles! +1 dude! I freaking LOVE this cycle! By the way I am copying it exactly for my training bud. Hope you don't mind! :lol: :lol: I've been racking my brain, for a cycle for the dude, for a few weeks now! This is perfect! THANKS A LOT!