prop or sust?

morning lads

just a question regarding the cycle im planning for next year. i know its a little soon to be asking but i like to purchase my gear bit by bit, you know, a few vials here, a few tablets there.

im keen to try NPP. what would you guys recommend running it with? sust or test prop?

the goal is lean gains. if any body has any experience with these compounds please do me a favour and comment..

I have asked that same question. Seems most people would run with test prop.

really? what was the name of the thread? ill have a look at their responses? ehat was the consensus? why prop over sust?

Same cycle I'm looking at as an option, I absolutely loved npp, want to give it a go again with test prop and keep the cycle between 8-10 weeks but ill make a decision closer to the time, as I also wanna start buying my next cycle slowly for the new year,

ha ha i like your style PP

im thinking 12 weeks for me

#winning but on a serious note, ull love npp bro

i cant wait to try it, ive heard really good things about it. did you hit some winny as well PP? from what week did you start with that?>

I think Sus is stupid.

MRfeathers wrote: i cant wait to try it, ive heard really good things about it. did you hit some winny as well PP? from what week did you start with that?>

Yea bud, but I only used winny for 4 weeks during my bridge, @50mg a day, and not with the test and npp

why pyro?

am i right in saying you will use doctari's pct when using nnp?

yes. HCG, nolva, clomid and aromasin. why?

just wanted to make sure, also looking at nnp for next cycle

oh ok cool. ha ha yeah seems to be the in thing at the moment

MRfeathers wrote: why pyro?

Sorry for the late reply.. My thoughts on Sus: When one considers a long ester over a short ester the only advantage is that you pin less frequently. Longer esters give more water retention, have less active test per 100mg, etc. Sus consists of two esters- prop and undecanoate (speaking under correction). Prop is a short ester which is great but you have to pin EOD and that's a schlep, and then you get the vaaaaaarking long ester undecanoate which just doesn't make sense to me. Because of the Prop you have to pin Sus EOD to avoid rediculous blood plasma level fluctuations, so then what benefit do you get from the undecanoate ester?? Yes you do get more stable blood plasma levels, but such a long ester will take forever to kick in and you wait half a millennium for PCT to start! I can understand a long ester if you are on HRT but not for a bodybuilder.

Pyroclasm wrote:

MRfeathers wrote: why pyro?

Sorry for the late reply.. My thoughts on Sus: When one considers a long ester over a short ester the only advantage is that you pin less frequently. Longer esters give more water retention, have less active test per 100mg, etc. Sus consists of two esters- prop and undecanoate (speaking under correction). Prop is a short ester which is great but you have to pin EOD and that's a schlep, and then you get the vaaaaaarking long ester undecanoate which just doesn't make sense to me. Because of the Prop you have to pin Sus EOD to avoid rediculous blood plasma level fluctuations, so then what benefit do you get from the undecanoate ester?? Yes you do get more stable blood plasma levels, but such a long ester will take forever to kick in and you wait half a millennium for PCT to start! I can understand a long ester if you are on HRT but not for a bodybuilder.

Yes and no.
Sustanon has 4 esthers - 2 shorter + 1 moderate + 1 longer
Testosterone-Propionate 30mg
Testosterone-Phenylpropionate 60mg
Testosterone-Isocaproate - 60mg
Testosterone-Decanoate -100mg
Two relatively fast esters in Propionate and Phenylpropionate, a moderate size ester in Isocaproate and a very long ester in Decanoate.
Once injected testosterone will be released at a fairly even rate regarding milligrams for a month, making this a near perfect HRT medication but for performance purposes this will not do. Because of the short esters attached, to maintain peak testosterone levels Sustanon-250 must at a minimum be injected every three days with every other day administration being far more optimal because of the Propionate ester attached.

Thanx for the info bro! I am confused I thought supertest had those four esters but Sustanon,the name for the testosterone blend manufactured by Organon and now Adcock/Schering, has only two esters?

@DBatDBN: you forgot to provide a link to your info

Pyro: Sustanon has the four esters DBat quoted. PGW's Supertest is close, but its longest ester is cyp instead of decanoate, so the wait until PCT starts is a bit shorter.

Supertest is awesome. Going to run it in my second cycle cycle, which will be my last long cycle, after that ill be moving over to short cycles of NPP and TProp.

Eidolon wrote: @DBatDBN: you forgot to provide a link to your info

Pyro: Sustanon has the four esters DBat quoted. PGW's Supertest is close, but its longest ester is cyp instead of decanoate, so the wait until PCT starts is a bit shorter.

Thanx for the help Eidolon.

@MRF: My argument about the ester length with no added benefits still stands.

Does anyone know of Sustanon that was manufactured in SA? It might be a few years ago. It also was clear, didn't look like oil.

Eidolon wrote: @DBatDBN: you forgot to provide a link to your info

Pyro: Sustanon has the four esters DBat quoted. PGW's Supertest is close, but its longest ester is cyp instead of decanoate, so the wait until PCT starts is a bit shorter.

Hey guys, I copied that from a database of info I have saved on EVERNOTE.
However, and strangely enough, one of my favorite reference sites is a Steroid Abuse site. It is strange because contrary to what the name suggests, it seem to almost promote the stuff!!
(I did not put the link as I am not sure if Admin will kick my ass off here!!)

Admin, can I post the link?

Then I will just go for plain test E or Test prop. As per the article on this site that states that these test blends have no more benefit than just normal test.

AE wrote: Then I will just go for plain test E or Test prop. As per the article on this site that states that these test blends have no more benefit than just normal test.

Test is Test.
It is the esther that determines its release into your system and therefore the frequency of the injections.
If you feel like jabbing every second day (depending on your desired weekly dose...) then go for Prop.
You could always try Cyp, less frequent pins, then frontload with shorter halflife substance (dbol, prop etc.)
Sust caters for both in a way, by having short, medium and long esthers. But the volume of Test is now divided up between esthers, so it is never really constant....