First cutting cycle

Hey guys

So I decided to go on my first proper cutting cycle (have used dbol, winstrol and clen oral before from a crappy manufacturer longer than a year ago , but low dosages as well) Anyways I was wondering if someone can help me to give a nice first time cycle with PCT that’s not too expensive.

I have now been training for almost 3 years and the last year I have been taking it seriously. I dropped 7kg during this year already just to proper eating, but I am not yet where I want to be. I would like the course to be between 8-10 weeks with a added Clen cycle. Please say if I missed anything

Age:20
BF: really don’t know, check the pics (dont have a tan atm :blush: )

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Hey iMan

Can't open you pics you posted, but judging from your avatar you look about 10% BF.
Many guys are under the impression that cutting cycles are magic way to lose fat and get ripped. In fact, it is more diet that is the key factor in getting shredded. Obviously cutting compounts (usually short esters, water based compounds) will aid in this process as their main properties are to reduce water retention, and add hard, lean muscle. Keep this in mind when you are planning the route you want to take.

I personally like the following cutting cycle for 10 weeks.

week 1-4 = oral turanabal (40mg/day) Used as a frontload
week 1-10 = tesp prop (100mg EOD)
week 1-10 = masteron prop (100mg EOD)
week 1-10 = proviron (50mg/day)
week 7-10 = winstrol (50mg/day)
week 1-10 = clen/heat (alternating 2weeks clen/2 weeks heat with betasleep to upregulate receptors)
week 1-10 = t3 (20mg/day)

PCT will be Doctari's.

Also add a-dex (0.5mg/day) if prone to estro sides or keep some on hand.

This is quite an advanced cutting cycle and you may want to drop the prov/winstrol/t3 if your budget doesn't allow.

STUARTF wrote: Hey iMan

Can't open you pics you posted, but judging from your avatar you look about 10% BF.
Many guys are under the impression that cutting cycles are magic way to lose fat and get ripped. In fact, it is more diet that is the key factor in getting shredded. Obviously cutting compounts (usually short esters, water based compounds) will aid in this process as their main properties are to reduce water retention, and add hard, lean muscle. Keep this in mind when you are planning the route you want to take.

I personally like the following cutting cycle for 10 weeks.

week 1-4 = oral turanabal (40mg/day) Used as a frontload
week 1-10 = tesp prop (100mg EOD)
week 1-10 = masteron prop (100mg EOD)
week 1-10 = proviron (50mg/day)
week 7-10 = winstrol (50mg/day)
week 1-10 = clen/heat (alternating 2weeks clen/2 weeks heat with betasleep to upregulate receptors)
week 1-10 = t3 (20mg/day)

PCT will be Doctari's.

Also add a-dex (0.5mg/day) if prone to estro sides or keep some on hand.

This is quite an advanced cutting cycle and you may want to drop the prov/winstrol/t3 if your budget doesn't allow.

Yes this is way out of my budget, is this maybe not a bit little hardcore for a first cycle? Thanks

lol think Stu may have overestimated your cycle experience :lol: if you want a relatively cheap way of cutting then a good diet + an ECA/clen should be all that you need. If you want size and lose a little BF then just do a basic beginners cycle then which works out way cheaper than a cutting cycle

Ok, ja it is a bit hectic for a first cycle but like I mentioned if you drop the prov,t3,winny then you would have a nice simple beginners cutting cycle. Even maybe swop the masteron for winny so it would be:

week 1-10 = test prop (100mg EOD)
week 1-10 = winstrol (50mg/day)
week 1-10 = clen/heat combo

Basic PCT of Nolva, clomid

I've got a exel speadsheet that I will paste (not sure how it will come out)

Substance Test Prop Winstrol Heat Clenbutrol Sculpt Clomid Kessar
Day 1 100mg/1ml30mg Oraly/3 caps 2 caps twice daily 4 pumps twice daily
Day 2 30mg Oraly/3 caps 2 caps twice daily 4 pumps twice daily
Day 3 100mg/1ml 30mg Oraly/3 caps 2 caps twice daily 4 pumps twice daily
Day 4 30mg Oraly/3 caps 2 caps twice daily 4 pumps twice daily
Day 5 100mg/1ml 30mg Oraly/3 caps 2 caps twice daily 4 pumps twice daily
Day 6 30mg Oraly/3 caps 2 caps twice daily 4 pumps twice daily
Day 7 100mg/1ml 30mg Oraly/3 caps 2 caps twice daily 4 pumps twice daily
Day 8 30mg Oraly/3 caps 2 caps twice daily 4 pumps twice daily
Day 9 100mg/1ml 30mg Oraly/3 caps 2 caps twice daily 4 pumps twice daily
Day 10 40mg Oraly/4 caps 2 caps twice daily 4 pumps twice daily
Day 11 100mg/1ml 40mg Oraly/4 caps 2 caps twice daily 4 pumps twice daily
Day 12 40mg Oraly/4 caps 2 caps twice daily 4 pumps twice daily
Day 13 100mg/1ml 40mg Oraly/4 caps 2 caps twice daily 4 pumps twice daily
Day 14 40mg Oraly/4 caps 2 caps twice daily 4 pumps twice daily
Day 15 100mg/1ml 40mg Oraly/4 caps 80mcg/16drops 4 pumps twice daily
Day 16 40mg Oraly/4 caps 80mcg/16drops 4 pumps twice daily
Day 17 100mg/1ml 40mg Oraly/4 caps 80mcg/16drops 4 pumps twice daily
Day 18 40mg Oraly/4 caps 80mcg/16drops 4 pumps twice daily
Day 19 100mg/1ml 40mg Oraly/4 caps 100mcg/20drops 4 pumps twice daily
Day 20 40mg Oraly/4 caps 100mcg/20drops 4 pumps twice daily
Day 21 100mg/1ml 40mg Oraly/4 caps 100mcg/20drops 4 pumps twice daily
Day 22 40mg Oraly/4 caps 100mcg/20drops 4 pumps twice daily
Day 23 100mg/1ml 40mg Oraly/4 caps 100mcg/20drops 4 pumps twice daily
Day 24 40mg Oraly/4 caps 100mcg/20drops 4 pumps twice daily
Day 25 100mg/1ml 40mg Oraly/4 caps 120mcg/24drops 4 pumps twice daily
Day 26 40mg Oraly/4 caps 120mcg/24drops 4 pumps twice daily
Day 27 100mg/1ml 40mg Oraly/4 caps 120mcg/24drops 4 pumps twice daily
Day 28 40mg Oraly/4 caps 120mcg/24drops 4 pumps twice daily
Day 29 100mg/1ml 40mg Oraly/4 caps 2 caps twice daily 4 pumps twice daily
Day 30 40mg Oraly/4 caps 2 caps twice daily 4 pumps twice daily
Day 31 100mg/1ml 40mg Oraly/4 caps 2 caps twice daily 4 pumps twice daily
Day 32 40mg Oraly/4 caps 2 caps twice daily 4 pumps twice daily
Day 33 100mg/1ml 40mg Oraly/4 caps 2 caps twice daily 4 pumps twice daily
Day 34 40mg Oraly/4 caps 2 caps twice daily 4 pumps twice daily
Day 35 100mg/1ml 40mg Oraly/4 caps 2 caps twice daily 4 pumps twice daily
Day 36 40mg Oraly/4 caps 2 caps twice daily 4 pumps twice daily
Day 37 100mg/1ml 40mg Oraly/4 caps 2 caps twice daily 4 pumps twice daily
Day 38 40mg Oraly/4 caps 2 caps twice daily 4 pumps twice daily
Day 39 100mg/1ml 40mg Oraly/4 caps 2 caps twice daily 4 pumps twice daily
Day 40 40mg Oraly/4 caps 2 caps twice daily 4 pumps twice daily
Day 41 2 caps twice daily 4 pumps twice daily
Day 42 2 caps twice daily 4 pumps twice daily
Day 43 80mcg/16drops 4 pumps twice daily 50mg twice daily
Day 44 80mcg/16drops 4 pumps twice daily 50mg twice daily
Day 45 80mcg/16drops 4 pumps twice daily 50mg twice daily
Day 46 80mcg/16drops 4 pumps twice daily 50mg twice daily
Day 47 100mcg/20drops 4 pumps twice daily 50mg twice daily
Day 48 100mcg/20drops 4 pumps twice daily 50mg twice daily
Day 49 100mcg/20drops 4 pumps twice daily 50mg twice daily
Day 50 100mcg/20drops 4 pumps twice daily 20mg daily
Day 51 100mcg/20drops 4 pumps twice daily 20mg daily
Day 52 100mcg/20drops 4 pumps twice daily 20mg daily
Day 53 120mcg/24drops 4 pumps twice daily 20mg daily
Day 54 120mcg/24drops 4 pumps twice daily 20mg daily
Day 55 120mcg/24drops 4 pumps twice daily 20mg daily
Day 56 120mcg/24drops 4 pumps twice daily 20mg daily
Day 57 20mg daily
Day 58 20mg daily
Day 59 20mg daily
Day 60 20mg daily
Day 61 20mg daily
Day 62 20mg daily
Day 63 20mg daily
Day 64 20mg daily
Day 65 20mg daily
Day 66 20mg daily
Day 67 20mg daily
Day 68 20mg daily
Day 69 20mg daily
Day 70 20mg daily

Products needed
Pgw Test Prop 2 bottles
LP winstrol Orals 3 bottles
Heat 1 bottle
LP Clen drops 1 bottle
Sculpt Gel 2 bottles
LP clomid 1 bottle
LP kessar 1 bottle

STUARTF wrote: Ok, ja it is a bit hectic for a first cycle but like I mentioned if you drop the prov,t3,winny then you would have a nice simple beginners cutting cycle. Even maybe swop the masteron for winny so it would be:

week 1-10 = test prop (100mg EOD)
week 1-10 = winstrol (50mg/day)
week 1-10 = clen/heat combo

Basic PCT of Nolva, clomid

I've got a exel speadsheet that I will paste (not sure how it will come out)

Substance Test Prop Winstrol Heat Clenbutrol Sculpt Clomid Kessar
Day 1 100mg/1ml30mg Oraly/3 caps 2 caps twice daily 4 pumps twice daily
Day 2 30mg Oraly/3 caps 2 caps twice daily 4 pumps twice daily
Day 3 100mg/1ml 30mg Oraly/3 caps 2 caps twice daily 4 pumps twice daily
Day 4 30mg Oraly/3 caps 2 caps twice daily 4 pumps twice daily
Day 5 100mg/1ml 30mg Oraly/3 caps 2 caps twice daily 4 pumps twice daily
Day 6 30mg Oraly/3 caps 2 caps twice daily 4 pumps twice daily
Day 7 100mg/1ml 30mg Oraly/3 caps 2 caps twice daily 4 pumps twice daily
Day 8 30mg Oraly/3 caps 2 caps twice daily 4 pumps twice daily
Day 9 100mg/1ml 30mg Oraly/3 caps 2 caps twice daily 4 pumps twice daily
Day 10 40mg Oraly/4 caps 2 caps twice daily 4 pumps twice daily
Day 11 100mg/1ml 40mg Oraly/4 caps 2 caps twice daily 4 pumps twice daily
Day 12 40mg Oraly/4 caps 2 caps twice daily 4 pumps twice daily
Day 13 100mg/1ml 40mg Oraly/4 caps 2 caps twice daily 4 pumps twice daily
Day 14 40mg Oraly/4 caps 2 caps twice daily 4 pumps twice daily
Day 15 100mg/1ml 40mg Oraly/4 caps 80mcg/16drops 4 pumps twice daily
Day 16 40mg Oraly/4 caps 80mcg/16drops 4 pumps twice daily
Day 17 100mg/1ml 40mg Oraly/4 caps 80mcg/16drops 4 pumps twice daily
Day 18 40mg Oraly/4 caps 80mcg/16drops 4 pumps twice daily
Day 19 100mg/1ml 40mg Oraly/4 caps 100mcg/20drops 4 pumps twice daily
Day 20 40mg Oraly/4 caps 100mcg/20drops 4 pumps twice daily
Day 21 100mg/1ml 40mg Oraly/4 caps 100mcg/20drops 4 pumps twice daily
Day 22 40mg Oraly/4 caps 100mcg/20drops 4 pumps twice daily
Day 23 100mg/1ml 40mg Oraly/4 caps 100mcg/20drops 4 pumps twice daily
Day 24 40mg Oraly/4 caps 100mcg/20drops 4 pumps twice daily
Day 25 100mg/1ml 40mg Oraly/4 caps 120mcg/24drops 4 pumps twice daily
Day 26 40mg Oraly/4 caps 120mcg/24drops 4 pumps twice daily
Day 27 100mg/1ml 40mg Oraly/4 caps 120mcg/24drops 4 pumps twice daily
Day 28 40mg Oraly/4 caps 120mcg/24drops 4 pumps twice daily
Day 29 100mg/1ml 40mg Oraly/4 caps 2 caps twice daily 4 pumps twice daily
Day 30 40mg Oraly/4 caps 2 caps twice daily 4 pumps twice daily
Day 31 100mg/1ml 40mg Oraly/4 caps 2 caps twice daily 4 pumps twice daily
Day 32 40mg Oraly/4 caps 2 caps twice daily 4 pumps twice daily
Day 33 100mg/1ml 40mg Oraly/4 caps 2 caps twice daily 4 pumps twice daily
Day 34 40mg Oraly/4 caps 2 caps twice daily 4 pumps twice daily
Day 35 100mg/1ml 40mg Oraly/4 caps 2 caps twice daily 4 pumps twice daily
Day 36 40mg Oraly/4 caps 2 caps twice daily 4 pumps twice daily
Day 37 100mg/1ml 40mg Oraly/4 caps 2 caps twice daily 4 pumps twice daily
Day 38 40mg Oraly/4 caps 2 caps twice daily 4 pumps twice daily
Day 39 100mg/1ml 40mg Oraly/4 caps 2 caps twice daily 4 pumps twice daily
Day 40 40mg Oraly/4 caps 2 caps twice daily 4 pumps twice daily
Day 41 2 caps twice daily 4 pumps twice daily
Day 42 2 caps twice daily 4 pumps twice daily
Day 43 80mcg/16drops 4 pumps twice daily 50mg twice daily
Day 44 80mcg/16drops 4 pumps twice daily 50mg twice daily
Day 45 80mcg/16drops 4 pumps twice daily 50mg twice daily
Day 46 80mcg/16drops 4 pumps twice daily 50mg twice daily
Day 47 100mcg/20drops 4 pumps twice daily 50mg twice daily
Day 48 100mcg/20drops 4 pumps twice daily 50mg twice daily
Day 49 100mcg/20drops 4 pumps twice daily 50mg twice daily
Day 50 100mcg/20drops 4 pumps twice daily 20mg daily
Day 51 100mcg/20drops 4 pumps twice daily 20mg daily
Day 52 100mcg/20drops 4 pumps twice daily 20mg daily
Day 53 120mcg/24drops 4 pumps twice daily 20mg daily
Day 54 120mcg/24drops 4 pumps twice daily 20mg daily
Day 55 120mcg/24drops 4 pumps twice daily 20mg daily
Day 56 120mcg/24drops 4 pumps twice daily 20mg daily
Day 57 20mg daily
Day 58 20mg daily
Day 59 20mg daily
Day 60 20mg daily
Day 61 20mg daily
Day 62 20mg daily
Day 63 20mg daily
Day 64 20mg daily
Day 65 20mg daily
Day 66 20mg daily
Day 67 20mg daily
Day 68 20mg daily
Day 69 20mg daily
Day 70 20mg daily

Products needed
Pgw Test Prop 2 bottles
LP winstrol Orals 3 bottles
Heat 1 bottle
LP Clen drops 1 bottle
Sculpt Gel 2 bottles
LP clomid 1 bottle
LP kessar 1 bottle

yes this is more like it can't you maybe upload the file on fileshack or something. Cant really see the Excel post so good

I usually use tinypic and it only does pictures and videos. Whats the link to fileshack?

Why not just do a tesprop and winstol/anavar/tbol stack?

testprop 100 mg EOD weeks 1-9
anavar for the full 9 weeks at 60mg until pct starts
or winstol for the last 6 weeks at 50mg until pct starts
or tbol at 60mg for the last 6 weeks until pct starts

I agree, but he's on a tight budget so I wouldn't go for anavar/t-bol.

test prop and winny would be best.

Does anyone know how to upload files (*.xls)

www.filedropper.com/

Try this. I have no experience with Sculpgel - you will have to consult DJ on that but I think its quite pricey.

www.filedropper.com/simplecuttingcycle2010-12-14

STUARTF wrote: I agree, but he's on a tight budget so I wouldn't go for anavar/t-bol.

test prop and winny would be best.

Does anyone know how to upload files (*.xls)

didnt see that part... so then I guess youre stuck with poormans anavar...
although the tbol could still work as you can get away with 40mg per day
and the caps are 20mg...

as where the winstrol is only 10mg...and youl also need about 40 to 50 mg

STUARTF wrote: Try this. I have no experience with Sculpgel - you will have to consult DJ on that but I think its quite pricey.

www.filedropper.com/simplecuttingcycle2010-12-14

Thanks a lot!!! Will be starting in about 2-3 weeks time. I am rather going to skip the sculpgel, cash bit tight. So I will be using the Winny, test prop and Clen

No prob dude, also maybe think about HEAT - works very well in combo with clen, but entirely up to you and your budget.

STUARTF wrote: No prob dude, also maybe think about HEAT - works very well in combo with clen, but entirely up to you and your budget.

Yes will do. What will happen if I just do a Winny and Clen cycle with the PCT? Just asking, still going to add some prop in it.

Thunderbeast wrote:

STUARTF wrote: I agree, but he's on a tight budget so I wouldn't go for anavar/t-bol.

test prop and winny would be best.

Does anyone know how to upload files (*.xls)

didnt see that part... so then I guess youre stuck with poormans anavar...
although the tbol could still work as you can get away with 40mg per day
and the caps are 20mg...

as where the winstrol is only 10mg...and youl also need about 40 to 50 mg

Hey beast, the oralT could actually work, but I think for this course winny throughout will be better - leaner, harder gains. Love it...winny = poorman's anavar hahahaha

What will happen if I just do a Winny and Clen cycle with the PCT? Just asking, still going to add some prop in it.

Yes, you can do that - I have often just used winny/clen to keep hard. Just remember that your diet is the most important factor, but you're pretty lean anyway so it will work nicely.

Thanks for all your help StuartF, I really appreciate it. I am now considering just a Clen/Winny cycle with Clomid and Kessar as a PCT.

iMan wrote: Thanks for all your help StuartF, I really appreciate it. I am now considering just a Clen/Winny cycle with Clomid and Kessar as a PCT.

Ok, but try add test if you can.

STUARTF wrote:

iMan wrote: Thanks for all your help StuartF, I really appreciate it. I am now considering just a Clen/Winny cycle with Clomid and Kessar as a PCT.

Ok, but try add test if you can.

Will try, check how my $ is this week. I can maybe run it a bit lighter than the sample you gave me. 50mg instead of 100mg?

I suppose you could... rather save up and do it properly

Will do! Believe I can save up enough for then. Also a bit scared of needles, so that why I'm bit uncertain about the prop. I don't think it will be easy to jab myself the first time

@Stu: Bud you are suggesting that he should run winstrol for 10 weeks! Winni is one of the harsher orals on the liver. 6 weeks max i would say

Howzit ABC01, it is harsh on the liver but he's not running anything else so I reckon he could push it to 10 weeks with correct liver support. I hear you though, winny is very toxic, so iMan maybe think about reducing it to 6 weeks - that will be exactly 2 bottles so works out nicely.

I'm glad you online because I've been wanting to get your advise on a previous post of mine. Perhaps you could have a look at it if you don't mind. Heres the link:

www.anabolicsteroids.co.za/forum/11-gene...advise-from-cyclists