NPP?

Hi guys

So im into week 5 of my CKD diet and its going great.

Currently running test cyp@200/week and Tbol@50mg/day (running both for 5 weeks; have two weeks of Tbol left and 5 weeks of cyp left)

For the remaining 5 weeks of my cyle/diet plan; i was considering adding in some NPP @ 300mg/week to see out the rest of my cycle before hitting PCT. I am basically adding in the NPP to gain some more Lean muscle as i continue to burn off that unwanted and unsightly adipose tissue.

As i have never used short-acting nandrolone compund before, i was just interested as to whether i would see any significant gains in LBM of the compound at this dosage for the next five weeks. Also, i always tend to get quite a bit of water retention of the longer-acting Deca and should i expect the same type of water retention off the NPP?

Also, im running clen two days on two days off at 120mcg/day and T3 taper up and taper down at max 140mcg

If this is really going to be a waste of time/money for me, please feel free to let me know.

Just to reiterate my current stats

Weight: 88kg
BF: 14.0%
Daily marconutrient intake: P 180g; F178g; C >15g

NPP is great. I lose fat on it. 5 weeks is a bit short though.
Why not just up the dose a bit - frontload - say 300 EOD for 2 weeks and then back down to half that for the remainder.
You wont carry extra water with NPP.

O heck! Now i see you are on 200mg Cyp/week?!??! Your body produces more than that!

jackrabbit1 wrote: NPP is great. I lose fat on it. 5 weeks is a bit short though.
Why not just up the dose a bit - frontload - say 300 EOD for 2 weeks and then back down to half that for the remainder.
You wont carry extra water with NPP.

O heck! Now i see you are on 200mg Cyp/week?!??! Your body produces more than that!

lol

remember mate; the addition of both tbol and cyp is to prevent any muscle catabolism from the keto diet and not for muscle gain. I thought that i could introduce the NPP for some Lean muscle gains.

jackrabbit1 wrote: NPP is great. I lose fat on it. 5 weeks is a bit short though.
Why not just up the dose a bit - frontload - say 300 EOD for 2 weeks and then back down to half that for the remainder.
You wont carry extra water with NPP.

O heck! Now i see you are on 200mg Cyp/week?!??! Your body produces more than that!

how was ur gains on the compound jackrabbit. any noticeable increase in LBM?

I can understand you trying to prevent catabolism, but not when your dosage is below what your body will produce anyway. Double the dose or stack with NPP.

NPP is GREAT. I loose fat on nandrolone. Best cycle i ever did was Prop/NPP/Proviron.
Do 1ml EOD - 150mg EOD. If you have cash issues stay on cycp, if not switch to prop.

jackrabbit1 wrote: I can understand you trying to prevent catabolism, but not when your dosage is below what your body will produce anyway. Double the dose or stack with NPP.

NPP is GREAT. I loose fat on nandrolone. Best cycle i ever did was Prop/NPP/Proviron.
Do 1ml EOD - 150mg EOD. If you have cash issues stay on cycp, if not switch to prop.

No i understand what you trying to say mate. But the TBOL is the primary anti-catabolic compound and the addition of the test was only to ensure that i had near normal levels on test due to any HPTA supression i may have experienced as a result of the Tbol usage. if i go on the NPP, i will definitely run it with the test but i to ensure that my blood lipid profile stays the same, i continue on the test-cyp and wont change over to prop.

Thanks for the feedback though

Jack are you sure you are right about the test production..? As far as i know its an average of 70mg-100mg/week naturally (or more or less around there) so the 200mg cyp should be fine as an anti-catabolic compound?

Doctari posted something on the amount of test produced a while ago - i'll see whether i can find it.

GSP - my lipid profile improved while i was on NPP. The Test Prop just made sure there was no water buildup etc. It also made the PCT easier as i could start 2 days after my last shot. Running NPP you will have to look at Doctari's PCT.

batman jack

Chapel you are right - around 56 he mentioned. :blush:
Must be these high doses i'm used to confusing me.

oh ok, so we were both wrong actually thanks for checking

ok guys well im going to give the NPP a try @300mg/week and see how that pans out for five weeks. Just want to be a little more jacked up than what i currently am.

Wish me luck

Careful running nandrolene at a higher dose than test-can cause ED problems. Not always but as rule of thumb you should keep test dose higher than nandrolene dose

Thanks for that Yohimbe.

Was gonna ask whether it was a good idea to run the npp at 300mg when the cyp was only being run @ 200mg.

Good luck either way GSP

Peace...

Rowan wrote: Thanks for that Yohimbe.

Was gonna ask whether it was a good idea to run the npp at 300mg when the cyp was only being run @ 200mg.

Good luck either way GSP

Peace...

Nah; ive run 200mg test with as much as 600mg deca with no problem. Remember, the issue with nandrolone is that it is highly suppressive. 100mg of the stuff could result in near total HPTA suppression. However, as long as your are regularly injecting synthetic testesterone into your system, i.e. teststerone which is not derived from your endocrine system, and provided that your nandrolone intake is not massively high, you shouldnt experience any adverse side effects from nandrolone usage.

Cheers for the well wishes guys

PS i feel like woman in menopause at the moment. 100mcg and 140mcg of t3 and clen respectively is no joke. it feels like im burning from the inside out!!!

You are correct it is due to the suppresive nature of Nandrolone, and you can run it without test at a low dose with Priviron if you want. Only when you look at running very high doses you would want to match the Test.

jackrabbit1 wrote: I can understand you trying to prevent catabolism, but not when your dosage is below what your body will produce anyway. Double the dose or stack with NPP.

NPP is GREAT. I loose fat on nandrolone. Best cycle i ever did was Prop/NPP/Proviron.
Do 1ml EOD - 150mg EOD. If you have cash issues stay on cycp, if not switch to prop.

Free test in the average male is approx 120 - 180 , with Test Cyp and Enathate - half the total weight is made up of the esters in the compound , giving you about half of what you'd expect ... so on a dosage of 200 , 120 - 150 would be active.

I'd up that dosage to 300 bare minimum ... IMO

WOT

WOT wrote:

jackrabbit1 wrote: I can understand you trying to prevent catabolism, but not when your dosage is below what your body will produce anyway. Double the dose or stack with NPP.

NPP is GREAT. I loose fat on nandrolone. Best cycle i ever did was Prop/NPP/Proviron.
Do 1ml EOD - 150mg EOD. If you have cash issues stay on cycp, if not switch to prop.

Free test in the average male is approx 120 - 180 , with Test Cyp and Enathate - half the total weight is made up of the esters in the compound , giving you about half of what you'd expect ... so on a dosage of 200 , 120 - 150 would be active.

I'd up that dosage to 300 bare minimum ... IMO

WOT

There we go. This is what i was looking for. Thanks WOT.

WOT wrote:

jackrabbit1 wrote: I can understand you trying to prevent catabolism, but not when your dosage is below what your body will produce anyway. Double the dose or stack with NPP.

NPP is GREAT. I loose fat on nandrolone. Best cycle i ever did was Prop/NPP/Proviron.
Do 1ml EOD - 150mg EOD. If you have cash issues stay on cycp, if not switch to prop.

Free test in the average male is approx 120 - 180 , with Test Cyp and Enathate - half the total weight is made up of the esters in the compound , giving you about half of what you'd expect ... so on a dosage of 200 , 120 - 150 would be active.

I'd up that dosage to 300 bare minimum ... IMO

WOT

Still unsure on where u get the values of 120 to 180 when daily test productin ranges from 2.5g to 11g per day. Thus a maximum yield would be 77g/week. This total test value would then be broken down through the aromaztase and alpha reductase enzymes to estrogen and DHT respectiovely resulting in an even lower yield of overall free testesterone.

I may be completely lost the plot here but im really unsure on the 120 - 180 natty test range

I also don't understand the sums / value being used. I know results as picogram/mL.

If anyone wants to under this further.

forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?347127...osterone-Blood-Tests

And,

answers.google.com/answers/threadview/id/593993.html

Quick question guys

Im now torn between the NPP and the prop for the next 4/weeks. Would think that the syngery of the long cyp esters with the short prop esters may pan out better than combining the cyp and the NPP

Would be running the prop at about 100mg EOD

GSP you watching the fights tomorrow?
rampage vs machida
bjpenn vs matt hughes ...cant wait!!!

There wouldnt be a synergy between the two Tests, same class drug etc, or is this a trick question and you know a secret?

whaaaat how are you watching them..? streaming live on your pc..?

lol

poor misuse of the word synergy; interaction would have been more appropriate.

Man; would love to watch the fights tomorrow but probably wont be able to access it...

My money is on Machida and Penn, purely because i cannot stand rampage and hughes....

Still waiting for the GSP and Anderson Silva showdown, my god i would try and fly to the states of montreal if that ever happens.

So BB Guy; who is your favourite? Still waiting on a decent Saffer to head down to the UFC and do some damage but was watching some EFC recently and the guys need to up their game and leave the facking politics behind.

Chapel they normally get uploaded 12 or so hours after the live match
here are links to the last 4 fights...
www.filestube.com/search.html?q=ufc+119&select=All
www.filestube.com/search.html?q=ufc+120&select=All
www.filestube.com/search.html?q=ufc+121&select=All
www.filestube.com/search.html?q=ufc+122&select=All


GSP,
Same here, cant stand Rampage's arrogance, and Hughes is one of those guys a person loves to hate kinda thing, but still an awesome fighter

I would hope Machida wins for the same reason you mentioned, and I also like his fight style, very different to 99% of MMA guys

The last few of Penns fights have been majorly pathetic, so if he shows up in the same form as the last few, I think Hughes is gonna murder him...

Who's your top 5?
I have too many favorites, lol I would say top few would be Mir, GSP, Penn and Franky Edgar, Franky being top of my list!!!
Lesnar I was a big fan of, but after watching his last fight... he just got beaten up to bad, looked very amateur

Anderson Silva, also very arrogant, would sit a close 2nd on my shit list after Rampage

Been watching TUF season 12 at the moment and its a nice build up to the match between GSP and Josh Choschek(spell) , both are coaches in the house...