Whats the best test for a mild first coarse

i want to start my first real coarse in 2 weeks time but im still unsure which test i should use,i want to do a very mild test only coarse so could some of the experienced guys tell me which test would be best and wat the best p.c.t for that specific test would be,i dont want to get huge and dont expect massive gains i just want a bit of a bump in strength with some lean gains,dont want water retention either,id consider finishing the coarse with mayb winny or clen,
im 22
76kilos
not sure on bodyfat but its low,between 11 and 14 percent
been training for 3 years
diet is in check for now but im getting a diet from dj for when i start my coarse

oh and by the way im sensitive to progesterone and prolactin

chemically enhanced wrote: oh and by the way im sensitive to progesterone and prolactin

How did you establish that?

19-NOR TREN shitty pro-hormones,was a nightmare.definately should have listened:(

chemically enhanced wrote: 19-NOR TREN shitty pro-hormones,was a nightmare.definately should have listened:(

I always have had all the nessasary anciliaries on hand. I have only used an AI and only on this last cycle to test something out.

When you eventually decide to try a 19-nor AAS, stock up. You might not even have issues with the real deal and if you do you have the tools to fix it.

This time round though you should stick to the basic cycle DJ set out - just read the stickies. Test with maybe some DBol.

www.anabolicsteroids.co.za/media/kunena/...76/First%20cycle.pdf

Thanks jackrabbit i really appreciate the advice bro,iv read many of your posts and you seem well informed,thing is i dont want to use deca or d-bol i want to do a test ONLY cycle but im just not sure on wat exact type of test would best suit me for wat im looking to gain out of it,basically not sure whether to use prop,cyp,enan you know,also thinking of sustanon or supertest.just want some advice pls guys,its my first real cycle and i want to do it properly,,
o and jack rabbit iv been thinking of adding mayb some turinabol but just concerned about the progesterone and prolactin,looking into it though

test is test is test is test.

Thats all you need to know... Any test will work fine, a test combo by PGW would probably be your best bet as you wouldn't need to front load anything.

Start with a long ester. Less injections.
Cyp/Enan/Sust - doesnt really matter. Follow DJ's cycle with whatever ester. Add the TBol - works nicely and is done as in that cycle.

Why do juice at all if you only want to do it mild thats like doing something half heartly go big or go home. Sus 250 be your best bet imo as pump says you wont have to front load with anything a pgw test blend would be cool as well very similar to sus.

@JUICED i say a mild coarse cause it helps me justify it in my own sick twisted way,ill prob end up doing a normal test coarse..

so sustanon you guys reckon is best,which lab would u guys recommend?
jackrabbit what would you say is better,
a sustanon and turinabol stack
or
sustanon and anavar?

In my eyes less is more. As I said I would use a TEST BLEND by PGW... Which is better than Sustanon and you will need to take 1 and half ml a week or 2.

At the end of the cycle you can use Anavar as a bridge to the PCT.

thanks pump..so do you think super test from p.g.w is the way to go,does it make you retain lots of water?
if i had to do a coarse of only super test from p.g.w what kind of p.c.t should i be doing?

Please go to General section and read the FAQ sticky.

All test will make you hold water as its very androgenic and you will suffer from estrogen side effects. You can use an AI to help with this.

PCT I prefer to do properly than half way, read a sticky under PCT that admin made, both the Doc and the other one. Take it from there.

Thanks pump,,im sure you understand that im asking lots of questions because its my first cycle and i wan2 do it 100 percent properly

Yup.. Just read that FAQ section and the Sticky for PCT that will give you a better understanding and lets take it from there..

To be completely honest some might disagree, but I was told by an IFBB Pro, that 350mg of a test combo is more than enough a week, nothing else. You will grow on that, the sides will not be so bad, you will not blow up like a fish. I used 200mg of Test Cpy (Depo test) for my first cycle and that was more than enough to make me grow.

I don't believe you need anymore than that, I would take 1 mil of PGW Super test and put all the hard work into your diet and training and you will love the results.

Now why would a pro tell me to use that amount? Because he knows you don't need massive amounts of gear to grow.

Why do you think some people rave about Primobolan and others think its the most complete waste of money. Well the 1 guy is used to taking huge amounts of gear to grow, that means he is doing something wrong. The guy that is getting results has his diet and training down to an art and lives a true bodybuilders lifestyle.

sweet pump thanks man,i have read it before but will go over it again to be sure,thing thats confusing me is in that cycle in the sticky there is d-bol added into it,i dont want the d-bol.so if i swapped the d-bol for equi or masteron would i use the same dose of test and that same pct thats explained in the sticky?
sorry if im irritating anyone

ok ignore my last post,,
pump has convinced me to stick with the test only and no orals added in,
iv also spoken to an ifbb pro who said he uses very very low dosages,
im going to stick with pgw super test only with a comprehensive pct for my first cycle and then add some orals into my next cycle which im planning to do early next year
pump thanks for your help
i really do appreciate it

Dianabol is used for the front load, if you use a test mix then you don't need it as you have short esters so you will be rocking a week after your first shot.

Don't worry about other cycles.

To be honest you can take anyones advice you want I say Test only 1 ml Test Blend by PGW, which I believe is 320mg / ML.

1 ML a week for 12 weeks, then look at using Winstrol for the Bridge to PCT and give your body a 3 month break after the PCT.

Many others will say it's not enough gear, I believe it's more than enough and know it works. 1ml of T350 by Apex I used to grow some serious size.

You can always add more gear 6 weeks down the line if you like, but I won't see a need for this. Then the next cycle you do you will be able to achieve good results with a similar stack, maybe 1 and half ml this time.

Trust me when I say you don't need lots of Test to grow. Test is POWERFUL and you going to put on allot of size on a cycle of 320mg a week.

pump i believe you and im agreeing with you.
what can i take to combat the water retention though?
i might even use less than 1ml a week

Don't go under 1 ml. To combat water 0.25mg every other day of Letro if that isn't sufficient try 0.25mg every day. A bit more of an expensive way would be 25/50mg Proviron which would enhance the effects of the Test.

I think stick to basics, the Letro can last you cycle after cycle.

2 X Test Blend PGW
1 X Letro LP
1 X Nolva 20mg (30 caps) LP
1 X Clomid 50mg (15 caps) LP
1 X HCG LP 5000iu
1 X 10mg Winstrol (50 caps) OC Labs

Make sure you have all this before you start the cycle. You can't afford not to take 1 of these substances, even the Winstrol is essential not to lose muscle going into to PCT.

could i swap the winny for anavar or proviron.
im worried about my liver bru iv put some harsh shit thru my body in the past

and i also really really seriously dont want to get any estrogen/gyno issues either,
im willing to start the coarse a month later if it means having to save more cash to be 100 percent sure about the estro issues

Well you will have the Letro on hand if you find it isn't working you can push it right up to 1mg.

Will be many guys on the site being able to assist you. Trust me I have fought gyno for many years of my life and after 2 surgery and nearly a 3rd I have it waxed.

Most people will say on 320mg a week you wont get gyno, I get it on 200mg a week with 1mg of letro. I simple cannot take test, you won't know this until you try.

I will now do Primo only cycles, as I don't have much of a choice and i'm happy as its slow steady muscle and I can never compete due to my age and I was 15kgs heavier like 6 years ago, so now it's just to look lean on a decent body.

Good luck

PUMP one day when im rich i will buy you a container shipment of primo.
thanks for your help bru,mayb when i start my coarse you can guide me through it and advise me on things while on coarse if you can.
enjoy your day