T3 and clen vs Heat (ECA stack)

Hi all

Carry on from a jacked thread :dry:

4 weeks into current 6 week cycle of

test prop weeks 1-6 800mg/week
NPP weeks 1-6 500mg/week
dbol weeks 1-2 50mg/day
winny weeks 5-6 30mg/day
t3 weeks 1-5 125mcg per day (tirating up and down)
clen weeks 4-8 125mcg per day (tirating up)
letro weeks 1-6 0.5mg EOD
HCG weeks 3-5 1,000iu per week

PCT
HCG weeks 7-9 1,000IU per week
nolva weeks 7-11 40mg/day
and the usual vit c, EFA's and the clen will overlap into the first 2 weeks of pct.
Am starting to take Betasleep (Diphenhydramine HCI) today for the clen. Need to get some taurine as well, but forgot.

Trying to get lean on this cycle, so dropped the dbol after 2 weeks as I felt was retaining too much water. Only have enough winny for the last 10 days at 30mg per day, so that was the reason for the dosing.
Running keto diet with calories at 2,000 per day 70:25:5 ratio protein to fat to carbs, excewpt Saturday sinlge cheat meal to replace muscle glycogen

When I'm off the t3 and clen want to start ECA stack. Would like to hear opinions on the T3/clen combo vs ECA stack. So far have dropped a bit of bodyfat, more so when I started the clen on top of the T3, but still not happy.

Oh didn't realise you were doing a keto diet. I dont think you should go straight onto heat after the clen/t3, rather wait a bit until you plateau in the keto diet and then introduce the heat

I have plateaued on the keto-been running it solidly in one form or another for a year now, so as soon as this cycle is done I'm going off keto.
I'm worried about rebound after the t3 and am toying with the idea of eca after I've finished the t3-clen seems to stop working after a month even taking Diphenhydramine HCI.

oh i see

I'll definitely hit the ECA at some point after pct or maybe even during, towards the end.

I'll let you know how I think it compares. Wasn't blown away by the t3 and clen combo-not bad, but not an overnight change.

Oh well, next stop PCGL

I just dont think you will get a true comparison if both aren't compared when receptors are fresh but let's see how it goes. Im curious about the t3 rebound as well but hope all goes well

That's true.
Perhaps I'll just run the clen post t3 and see and after pct give the eca a go.

that can work, you will still benefit from the heat to some degree

Let us know about the Betasleep,
If you get hangovers the next morning,
If you become addicted,
dosages,
euphoria
etc...

I've been taking betasleep but to help me sleep and so its a bonus with the clen too, I think it has helped with regards to clen, no sides from it and doesn't make me too drowsy, even when I first started using it I didnt experience any sides

How does it compare to Ketotifen? Do feel any difference between the two?

Doesn't do shit for me for sleep

Well it doesn't help me sleep anymore cos its meant to be a temporary thing but I just take it now for the receptors and for some hope that I can sleep. Cant compare the two, I ran clen at approx 80mcg (starting at 25mcg) with keto and that wasn't cycled but as for the price definately betasleep, and availability too

You mentioned some time ago the ketotifen made you hungry if I remember correct...
Does the same apply for betasleep?

Nope, you must have mixed it up with something else, don't recall keto making me hungry but it did taste good though, aah i love the taste of medicine

Beesting wrote:

Nope, you must have mixed it up with something else, don't recall keto making me hungry but it did taste good though, aah i love the taste of medicine

:blink:

Yohimbe wrote:

I have plateaued on the keto-been running it solidly in one form or another for a year now, so as soon as this cycle is done I'm going off keto.
I'm worried about rebound after the t3 and am toying with the idea of eca after I've finished the t3-clen seems to stop working after a month even taking Diphenhydramine HCI.

Yohimbe, wanted to share this with you, I also plateaued begining of January after losing some good weight (14kgs) for a few months on keto. I started doing some cardio in the morning as well and started losing again but it was very dificult. So two weeks into January I put my back out, that screwed up the last two weeks of Jan for me, I got really depressed and fell off the bandwagon, started eating really bad, so Feb comes and I get sick another week gone.

After the 3 weeks of binge eating I went back on keto and I couldn't believe it, I picked up only 2kgs during the binge and the weight started coming off like when I first started keto diet, lost almost 5 kgs the first week back on keto, 3 kgs below personal best and still going strong.

So what I'm saying is maybe just have a binge week, posted a study a while back that said that after 6 months the keto diet rate of fat loss becomes similar to normal calorie restriction diets. So maybe just stir things up a bit, confuse it.

yohimbe if u are platauing email me,i will explain to u how to over come this the cheat meal thing needs to be changed and i will get u to drop BF again... or u can take a week off diet,but i will show u how to do it...

Beesting wrote:

Nope, you must have mixed it up with something else, don't recall keto making me hungry but it did taste good though, aah i love the taste of medicine

These damn junkies

UltimateThug wrote:

Yohimbe wrote:

I have plateaued on the keto-been running it solidly in one form or another for a year now, so as soon as this cycle is done I'm going off keto.
I'm worried about rebound after the t3 and am toying with the idea of eca after I've finished the t3-clen seems to stop working after a month even taking Diphenhydramine HCI.

Yohimbe, wanted to share this with you, I also plateaued begining of January after losing some good weight (14kgs) for a few months on keto. I started doing some cardio in the morning as well and started losing again but it was very dificult. So two weeks into January I put my back out, that screwed up the last two weeks of Jan for me, I got really depressed and fell off the bandwagon, started eating really bad, so Feb comes and I get sick another week gone.

After the 3 weeks of binge eating I went back on keto and I couldn't believe it, I picked up only 2kgs during the binge and the weight started coming off like when I first started keto diet, lost almost 5 kgs the first week back on keto, 3 kgs below personal best and still going strong.

So what I'm saying is maybe just have a binge week, posted a study a while back that said that after 6 months the keto diet rate of fat loss becomes similar to normal calorie restriction diets. So maybe just stir things up a bit, confuse it.

Thanks Ultimate-I was thinking the same thing about mixing the body up and it adapting to the diet.

UltimateThug wrote:

Yohimbe wrote:

I have plateaued on the keto-been running it solidly in one form or another for a year now, so as soon as this cycle is done I'm going off keto.
I'm worried about rebound after the t3 and am toying with the idea of eca after I've finished the t3-clen seems to stop working after a month even taking Diphenhydramine HCI.

Yohimbe, wanted to share this with you, I also plateaued begining of January after losing some good weight (14kgs) for a few months on keto. I started doing some cardio in the morning as well and started losing again but it was very dificult. So two weeks into January I put my back out, that screwed up the last two weeks of Jan for me, I got really depressed and fell off the bandwagon, started eating really bad, so Feb comes and I get sick another week gone.

After the 3 weeks of binge eating I went back on keto and I couldn't believe it, I picked up only 2kgs during the binge and the weight started coming off like when I first started keto diet, lost almost 5 kgs the first week back on keto, 3 kgs below personal best and still going strong.

So what I'm saying is maybe just have a binge week, posted a study a while back that said that after 6 months the keto diet rate of fat loss becomes similar to normal calorie restriction diets. So maybe just stir things up a bit, confuse it.

there are a few ways to break that plateau... 1 is taking a week off diet... but there are otherways to do get over this platau...increasing cardio slowely,using fat burners etc or doing proper cheat meals...there is an art to cheats for them to be 100% effective,,,

Also 2000 calories are quite low, what are your stats, if you don't mind me asking. I in no way am trying to say I'm more knowledgeable just trying to learn from your experience.

djeasye wrote:

yohimbe if u are platauing email me,i will explain to u how to over come this the cheat meal thing needs to be changed and i will get u to drop BF again... or u can take a week off diet,but i will show u how to do it...

Thanks DJ-I was thinking after the cycle I was going to drop you a mail for a custom diet. What's your mail addy again?

Yohimbe wrote:

UltimateThug wrote:

Yohimbe wrote:

I have plateaued on the keto-been running it solidly in one form or another for a year now, so as soon as this cycle is done I'm going off keto.
I'm worried about rebound after the t3 and am toying with the idea of eca after I've finished the t3-clen seems to stop working after a month even taking Diphenhydramine HCI.

Yohimbe, wanted to share this with you, I also plateaued begining of January after losing some good weight (14kgs) for a few months on keto. I started doing some cardio in the morning as well and started losing again but it was very dificult. So two weeks into January I put my back out, that screwed up the last two weeks of Jan for me, I got really depressed and fell off the bandwagon, started eating really bad, so Feb comes and I get sick another week gone.

After the 3 weeks of binge eating I went back on keto and I couldn't believe it, I picked up only 2kgs during the binge and the weight started coming off like when I first started keto diet, lost almost 5 kgs the first week back on keto, 3 kgs below personal best and still going strong.

So what I'm saying is maybe just have a binge week, posted a study a while back that said that after 6 months the keto diet rate of fat loss becomes similar to normal calorie restriction diets. So maybe just stir things up a bit, confuse it.

Thanks Ultimate-I was thinking the same thing about mixing the body up and it adapting to the diet.

mail me bro like i said i will show u....

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UltimateThug wrote:

Also 2000 calories are quite low, what are your stats, if you don't mind me asking. I in no way am trying to say I'm more knowledgeable just trying to learn from your experience.

I'm open to any suggestions on how to get rid of this damn bodyfat

Stats
1.79m
95kg
Not sure on the bodyfat-haven't had it tested but would estimate around 16-17%
Age 32 (33 in July)

When I dropped the calories initially I started seeing some results, but it seems to have stagnated. I gain mass/size very easily, but a lot of bodyfat along with it.