8 week Test Prop cycle.

Would like some feedback on the following, looking to start next Monday.

STATS:

Age: 28
Weight: 81kgs
Height: 1.76m
Bodyfat: 15%

Diet is sorted. Last cycle was Cyp and Tbol back in 2014. It's been 3 years already :woohoo:

GOALS:

Climb past 90kgs.
No fat gain (like I said, diet is sorted).


CYCLE:

1-8: Test P @ 100mg EOD.
??-8: HcG @ 500iu per week (2x250iu).

I have enough LP Anavar to run @ 60mgs for the duration of the cycle. I haven't decided on this yet as I might hold onto the tabs for a later cycle (opinions?).

PCT:

3 days after last pin:

Nolva: 40/40/20/20
Clomid: 50/50/25/25
HcG: ??

Questions:

1. When do I start HcG on cycle? When do I stop? Do I also run it in PCT?
2. Are my Nolva and Clomid dosages appropriate?
3. Should I add arimidex from the start of the cycle since prop kicks in fast? If so, what dosages am I looking at?

Just want to make sure I've got everything down. Really looking forward to this cycle. I frontloaded with Prop for my last cycle and the PIP was ridiculous. However this time I'll just man up and push through. Not keen on running a long ester.

Thanks in advance.

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Will add some before photos.

8 weeks, I wouldnt even use the HCG unless i have to, i will move the HCG usage in PCT.

If you going to add Anavar, yes, then start week 4 @ 500iu pw.

Dont add adex unless you have to.

Thanks Oupa. I'm curious to see what I can achieve with the solo test but also keen on running the anavar since I've got the classic ecto build- very wiry and defined. We'll see.

good cycle

Oups, can I replace adex with aromasin? I have a sealed box of aromasin which is still good to go.

Thanks in advance.

Witwolf wrote: Oups, can I replace adex with aromasin? I have a sealed box of aromasin which is still good to go.

Thanks in advance.

Please ignore. For some reason I can't edit. Sticking with Adex.

I prefer Aromasin

1st Pin done, did 1cc right delt with slin needle, Will see how it feels tomorrow

Peace

Shoulder is sore but it's not the debilitating pain I experienced pinning quads. Feels like someone gave me a moerse lammie. Woke up in the middle of the night realising that it was quite sore. Had to sleep on left side or my back. Not training today, tomorrow is legs.


Peace

Shoulder still a sore. Bit of a knot in my delt (I didn't expect anything less tbh).

Hitting legs today after work. Pinning glute tonight with 26G. I am going to pin left delt on Wednesday with the 26G aswell, took too long with Slin needle which might have contributed to pip.

Also have some bodyaches after pin- megadosing VitC atm (4000mg per day split in two). Keen on getting some ginger, lemon, greens to juice for later this afternoon to help with the aches.

I will be following a Legs/Push/Pull routine.

Starting on 2500 calories per day. 40P/30C/30F. Will be monitoring this as I go along. A lot of wholewheat macaroni and I don't want to blow up too much.

Lekker week.

For delts I would go the 23g blue needle bud, goes in pretty smooth and easy push as well

Pinned ventro glute with 22G. The 26's I have are like 1/2 an inch, didn't realise when I bought them. Also I live on the West Coast not close to any real shops so I have to make due with what I have. Maybe there's a Dischem in Vredenburg...

Pin was good: aspirated, no blood but quite a bit of bleeding after removing pin. Sitting on a heated pad infront of my PC I bought ages ago... Will see if I have to crawl around work tomorrow.

Had a good leg session. Went heavy and ended with some lunges for a good pump. Wanted to do abs too but I didn't have it in me. Flu-like symptoms a bit too oppressive at this stage, hopefully they fuckoff soon. Tomorrow is Push day :woohoo: hopefully my shoulder is a bit more cooperative by then.

Peace and have a good week. Will update this log as it progresses.

Quick follow up. I am in a p@&s load of pain. My delt is still very sore and tender from Saturday's pin. My glute is also sore but I can deal with it. I would also be able to do legs as it is.

I had a semi Push day yesterday. Did 3 sets, very light, shoulder presses on the machine but stopped there. Delts are a no-go at this stage. Chest and triceps got pumped up like I haven't experienced in a while. Might be the increased carb uptake though.

I blame the pip in my delt on horrible injection technique. In retrospect i did a few things wrong and pinned the wrong spot.

The body aches are getting better but still there. I'm assuming they're not just because of the exogenous substance being injected but also the fact that the spots I pinned are quite sore. (My delt being stabbed and prodded by a dull dagger).
Exactly the same experience I had when I frontloaded prop for my first cyp cycle. Unfortunately I am a stubborn and decided to try again. Hopefully symptoms get more bearable. Will only be sticking to glute and ventro glute for now and taking a day or two off from the gym. Irrespective diet is still on track and still very much motivated.

Hi Bud. Get some move gel or deapheat gel and rub and massage your pin sites. The Lady in my life massages my pin sites for me after injections and believe me it makes a world of difference even a massage with a tennis ball helps

Update:

I was reluctant to post this at first. Guess I expect negative feedback, but whatever. I had an infection in my delt after first pin. Did 5 days of antibiotics and it cleared up. I am not really sure why this happened since I am very meticulous when pinning. The only real reason I can think of is that, since my body already struggles to accept the prop, pinning 1cc in the delt was just too much. Also, this was the first pin of the cycle, i.o.w, my body's first exposure to prop was a blast in the delt. Either way I can only speculate.

It was sore as fuck. It kinda feels like normal muscle pain, except that the pain becomes increasingly worse and the spot becomes red and very sensitive. The aforementioned won't always indicate infection though, but better to be safe than sorry.I gave it a few days to see if it cleared up and after 4 days saw my doc.

It's one of those things that really suck and kinda keeps you awake at 3 a.m ("fuck I'm gonna lose my arm, hopefully it's just normal pain and not infection"). However, it happened and all I can do is learn from it. It's part of the game.

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Otherwise all is well. Couldn't train last week but hit legs yesterday and delts the day before. I lost my appetite big time after I started taking the antibiotics but it seems to be recovering. Diet is still good but I didn't hit my calories as intended. I am up 1.8 - 2kg since this morning. Eating has been clean though (last night had pasta mate and garlic bread to compensate for some calories and a massive leg session).

Hoping everything can settle down so I can come into a more organized routine.

Peace

That's a kak one, don't use that vial again and rather get your supplier to replace it.

admin wrote: That's a kak one, don't use that vial again and rather get your supplier to replace it.

Think so? Pins from the same vial in the glutes have been 100s. I was thinking that if it was any of my equipment it would be the slin needle I used since I had to backload etc. Seems like such a waste, though I'd rather chuck it than risk the same result.

There is no way I am pinning delts again. I am too scared now.

Oh, I thought the issue started with the first injection. If you used the same vial before without issues then it's probably just a bad injection.


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The first pin I did from this vial was the one in the delt that got infected. But subsequent pins from the same vial were fine.. Just a bad pin then I guess, along with bad technique.

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admin wrote: Oh, I thought the issue started with the first injection. If you used the same vial before without issues then it's probably just a bad injection.


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The first pin I did from this vial was the one in the delt that got infected. But subsequent pins from the same vial were fine.. Just a bad pin then I guess, along with bad technique.

Ahh, I see. Well just be extra careful and keep the antibiotics close if you notice any pain, swelling or redness again.

Just a follow up. Today marks the end of the first two weeks.

Results have been slow but noticeable. Definite aesthetic improvement- fuller, more vascular, slightly leaner. All round I am a bit bigger. Scale doesn't really reflect any drastic changes. Even though I do not have bloods to prove this, I feel like I am not having any estrogenic sides due to high e2 (touch wood.) Not holding on to any water either.

Libido is slightly up which is nice since I've been lacking in that area. Girlfriend approves.

I have been hovering on 2500 k/cals (give or take) and am upping to 3000 from tomorrow. I will also be pinning, 150mg eod (up from 100mg) to see if there is a noticeable difference. As much as this is to improve aesthetically and gain some lean muscle, I am very interested in seeing how my body responds to the test solo. As I mentioned I have Var and it is taking a lot of willpower to not add it to the cycle.

Peace brethren in iron

Just to update everyone following this thread.

My little Prop experiment has come to a premature end. On Tuesday last week I decided to call it quits after enduring a 3-hour round trip to Cape Town International in my Corsa Utility with golfball sized lumps in my ass.

Even after 4 weeks the pins left muscle spasms ranging from the size of lemons to grape fruit. My quads and cheeks were so sore that towards the end I had probably trained 14 days in total without hitting legs once. Even though the pain became more bearable I kinda just realized the ridiculousness of my situation and thought it better to start with PCT sooner in order to recover and start my next cycle of Cyp.

The results were good. Generally I felt like shit- had body aches, lots of night-sweats (which i wouldn't mind in summer) and kak pip. Aesthetic improvements, strength was steadily increasing and if I decided to carry on would most probably have amazed me. I also cut a lot a of fat and even though it was only 4 weeks, I am the leanest I have been in a very long time. The pumps were incredible too.

A really, really strange side-effect was an increase in dental 'health'? I have for a while had some problems with gingivitis and bleeding/painful gums. This literally went away when i started the cycle.

Prop just doesn't agree with me, and the feeling is mutual. I gave it some time but am honestly gatvol of the pain. I am however happy that I ran the cycle as it was a learning experience. I know now how my body reacts to test alone and I also know the effects of test without any orals.

I am going to blast HcG until I start my PCT on the 7th of August.

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My next cycle will be:

1-4(or 6): T-bol @ 40mg p.d.
1-12: Test Cyp @ 500mg p.w
9-15: Anavar @ 60mg p.d.

I have a question and hoping I can get some insight from the forum:

So as I mentioned my last pin was last week Tuesday. Since I stopped mycycle after 4 weeks of suffering op Prop, can I start Cyp and Tbol and transition into another cycle or would a PCT at this stage be better? My pCT is supposed to start the 7th of August. My testicles are quite atrophied already. Any input would be appreciated. I believe I would be able to get my supplies by next week wednesday if I started a cycle.

You can run a Cyp cycle for 10-12 weeks no problem but then I would do PCT 3 just to be sure

My thinking too Rooibul. I don't want to fuck around with my HPTA but was thinking of starting the TBOL and Cyp on Wednesday then, for argument's sake. 4 weeks in I will start HCG up until the day prior to starting PCT.

I would appreciate if the vets can chime in. It just feels kinda pointless starting a pct now and being out of action for, roughly, another 8 weeks AFTER that (time on + pct = time off) for such a short run on the prop. Though I know these decisions are not supposed to be made on emotion, I've never had to make a decision like this.