mid cycle issues

Mr crabs
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10 Sep 2015 11:19 #190139 by Mr crabs

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Hey guys, I would really appreciate some feedback is anyone could help.
I am at the end of week 5 of my second test cycle. For the last few days my face has been really red and i have been feeling faint and lethargic throughout the day. So i checked my bp and it has been sitting at 145/90, i then went to the doctor to get some tests (kidneys,liver,total testosterone). All was fine, the test obviously high at greater than 52. She said i should stop the gear because my test was so high and also gave me tablets for water retention as i am holding a huge amount of water. What are safe ranges for test to be in for my cycle?

2ml bayer testoviron per week split.
40mg oral primo daily
proviron daily.
hcg twice per week.

Age: 28
weight: 94kg
bodyfat:18%

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00pump
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10 Sep 2015 14:14 #190155 by 00pump

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The problem is the hCG and I see you don't mention the use of an AI that will defiantly cause a warm / flush face..

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Mr crabs
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10 Sep 2015 20:29 #190174 by Mr crabs

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i only started the hcg 2 days ago as well as half an arimidex twice a week. the symptoms started a day before i started both of those. DO you perhaps know if those test levels are to high? i didnt get an exact figure, i will call again tomorrow, they just said over 52.

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10 Sep 2015 21:32 - 10 Sep 2015 21:32 #190176 by Oupa

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Ask for a copy and post your blood results here.

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Mr crabs
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10 Sep 2015 21:35 #190177 by Mr crabs

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will do.

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Eidolon
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10 Sep 2015 23:56 #190182 by Eidolon

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Are you sure the primo is legit?

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11 Sep 2015 07:51 #190185 by admin

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Eidolon wrote: Are you sure the primo is legit?

How can primo that is not legit cause this: "For the last few days my face has been really red and i have been feeling faint and lethargic throughout the day."

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Furk
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11 Sep 2015 09:17 #190189 by Furk

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admin wrote: How can primo that is not legit cause this: "For the last few days my face has been really red and i have been feeling faint and lethargic throughout the day."

I think he is insinuating that instead of primo it's something that would cause those sides, since brand pharma primo has a reputation for counterfeiting.

Eildon, do you have experience with fake primo?

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11 Sep 2015 09:19 #190191 by admin

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Thanks, got it.

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Eidolon
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11 Sep 2015 10:55 #190202 by Eidolon

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admin wrote:
How can primo that is not legit cause this: "For the last few days my face has been really red and i have been feeling faint and lethargic throughout the day."

Was just musing if perhaps it is a cheaper compound like dbol. His issue sounds like it might be related to high e2 sides, but seeing the rest of his blood profile would rule that out. As 00pump suggested HCG can spike that too.

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Mr crabs
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11 Sep 2015 11:32 #190204 by Mr crabs

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So I got my blood results for the testosterone and it says. "Ferratin- 56 T-testosterone >52.05 reference 9.9-27.8 nmol/l

Bp is sitting at 145/95

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Mr crabs
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11 Sep 2015 11:35 #190205 by Mr crabs

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I only started the hcg on Tuesday evening when I already had these symptoms.

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Eidolon
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11 Sep 2015 11:52 #190206 by Eidolon

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Actual testosterone is often at the bottom of the page. What is your oestradiol and SHBG?

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Mr crabs
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11 Sep 2015 12:06 - 11 Sep 2015 12:11 #190207 by Mr crabs

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There were no other values on the page. I dis see the doctor only ticked total testosterone and ferratin on the am path test page.

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Mr crabs
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11 Sep 2015 12:09 #190208 by Mr crabs

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Can you maybe tell me what a total testosterone count is normally when on a cycle like mine?

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11 Sep 2015 12:49 #190210 by 00pump

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Dude.. simple. If you used to having lower blood pressure, that is high, your top reading is high based upon your weight, bigger guys this reading could be normal, but your bottom reading is HIGH.. you are going to feel shit. You playing in a dangerous space as a monster leg session will push your BP into dangerous height.. control your estrogen, give yourself a few days to have the hCG sides subside and if you just started your AI you need to wait.. this is not to do with your test levels being to high

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Mr crabs
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11 Sep 2015 13:43 #190212 by Mr crabs

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Ok so what is the best thing moving forward? For now I have completely dropped the primo and skipped my last jab. Shall I keep with the arimidex and just sit tight for a few days and see I'd the bp drops then start again with the test only?

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11 Sep 2015 14:10 #190214 by lobo

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Bud I see its your second cycle did you have any issues on the first how does this cycle differ from that first one?

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Mr crabs
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11 Sep 2015 14:13 - 11 Sep 2015 14:14 #190215 by Mr crabs

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My bp spiked a bit in the first one. It was 135/80 during the course. Also then I was not using primo and the test brand was different.

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11 Sep 2015 19:33 #190216 by Furk

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Mr crabs wrote: There were no other values on the page. I dis see the doctor only ticked total testosterone and ferratin on the am path test page.

Derailing here for little tip: after the doctor ticks pathology form, it's in your hands until you hand it in at the lab. So for example if a doctor only ticks PSH, but you would like to check oestrogen, prolactin and LH, then tick them once you're alone. The doctor might be pissed that you went over her/his head, but if the values come out bizarre, you know where you stand. And I know Ampath are strict about only releasing the results to the prescribing doctor, so before the time ask the Doc to email you a scan as soon as he/she gets it. If it's a quality GP/specialist, they will oblige. Also, keep all your test results, a history can become really valuable for future analysis. Not just for recreational steroid use, buy also for an medical history.

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Mr crabs
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11 Sep 2015 22:47 #190218 by Mr crabs

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cheers mate thanks for the tip! but i also think i could just ask the doc to please do those tests for me

anyone have any advice on moving forward? is it wise to take something to control my BP and then move forward with just the test.

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Mr crabs
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15 Sep 2015 22:15 #190349 by Mr crabs

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anyone?

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16 Sep 2015 11:33 #190370 by LegitKigtropin

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Where are your lipids and hematocrit sitting? elevated cholesterol and hematocrit is often a cause of issues when guys are appropriately controlling estrogen. Is your arimidex pharma grade? Or are you running a UGL?

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Mr crabs
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16 Sep 2015 21:59 #190404 by Mr crabs

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my cholestrol is fine, its been my blood pressure that has been high. The HCG is from dragon pharma.

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17 Sep 2015 00:55 - 17 Sep 2015 00:55 #190408 by Hormonas

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Mr crabs wrote: my cholestrol is fine, its been my blood pressure that has been high. The HCG is from dragon pharma.

He asked about the Arimidex - pharma or UGL?

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