Everything you need to know about Clenbuterol

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20 May 2013 12:15 - 18 Jun 2015 21:29 #139173 by Pyroclasm
Everything you need to know about Clenbuterol! The Clenbuterol article in the articles section was used as a foundation, with my ideas added and certain things omitted that I deemed not of critical importance..

Trade Names: Clenbuterol, Ventipulmin, Claire Gel, Clenbutaplex, Spiropent, etc.
Active Compound: Clenbuterol Hydrochloride
Half Life: 36 hours
Routes: Oral, Subcutaneous Injection

In the past Clenbuterol was used medicinally by sufferers of breathing disorders (mainly asthma) as a decongestant and bronchodilator. Clenbuterol is no longer legal in many countries including South Africa, so doctors use other chemicals to aid patients of breathing disorders. So don't try to get a prescription from your GP. ;) Clenbuterol is a Beta 2 agonist, which means it's method of action is by stimulating your Beta-2 receptors. It causes an increase in aerobic capacity, central nervous system stimulation, and an increase in blood pressure and oxygen transportation. It increases the rate at which body fat is metabolized, simultaneously increasing the body's basal metabolic rate (BMR).

Clenbuterol is easily obtainable in South Africa, but the price varies greatly depending on the brand and administration route. Injectable versions are generally more expensive where oral versions are cheaper. The oral varieties can be found in powder (Ventipulmin), tablets, capsules and even drinkable liquid. The oral liquid versions are easy to dose accurately and also the best value for money.

Since clenbuterol has thermogenic effects it is possible to determine whether it is still effective or not by taking ones body temperature. An elevated temperature of about 0.5 to 1C is a sign that the clenbuterol is still active. But the comparison should only be done under controlled and similar conditions – for example, early in the morning upon awakening. Having a reference temperature before any clenbuterol was taken will also help to make an accurate conclusion. After using the compound yourself a couple of times you will have experience of the compound and how your body responds to it. For example, I don't need to take my temperature to know that the Clen is active, I shake all day and I am very jittery and restless compared to normally being calm and collected. Focus on controlling your mood while on Clen! Also be prepared for some questions from your friends (mostly girls and your mother) for your abnormal behavioral patterns.

In the past clenbuterol was cycled in on and off periods of about 2 weeks in an attempt to minimize receptor down-regulation. This is not necessary anymore, because drugs like Ketotifen (Adco Zetofen) or Diphenhydramine HCL (Betasleep) can now be taken in conjunction with Clenbuterol. Ketotifen is an antihistamine used for asthma treatment in children. Diphenhydramine is a schedule 2 sleep aid. Both of these compounds up-regulates ß2 receptors making clenbuterol more effective and for longer periods. To have this up-regulatory effect, Zetofen should be used at 15ml (3mg) before bed or Betasleep should be used at 2 tabs (100mg) before bed.
Fair warning! Zetofen makes you very groggy in the morning upon waking up so you might want to take it on Friday night so that by Monday you will be fine. This is the main reason I choose to use Betasleep- no groggy feeling in the mornings.

A number of side-effects are likely to be experienced while taking clenbuterol, but the usual side effects include shaky hands, sweating, increased blood pressure, and lack of appetite. You will also experience a decrease in endurance ability as training takes more energy for the same amount of effort due to an increase in body temperature. Clenbuterol is a central nervous system stimulant with potential for fatal overdose. Signs of overdose may include rapid breathing, blood pressure irregularities, irregular heartbeat, trembling, extreme shaking, panic, extreme restlessness, and severe nausea. If you fear possible overdose, go to the closest hospital and ask for a Beta-Blocker. TELL THEM that you took Clenbuterol! They might skeef you out but that´s not as important as staying alive. Because of doctor-patient confidentiality they can´t report it to the police. Chances are they will keep you overnight for observation.

Dosage:
Clenbuterol is a drug that might exhibit life threatening side-effects when abused, so care should be taken when using this drug. The dosage for the first couple of days should be very low and most find 30-40mcg tolerable as an initial dosage. When side-effects are bearable the dosage can be increased by 20mcg every three or four days- three days for experienced users and four days for first time users. Increasing the dosage should be stopped when side-effects become too much to tolerate or when a maximum of 120mcg is reached per day. Because of the 36 hour half life, you only need to take Clen once a day. I suggest once a day in the mornings, or no later than 4pm if you want to sleep that night. NEVER EXCEED 120mcg per day! (80mcg for women). There is a distinct possibility that you could die of heart failure or do permanent damage to your heart.

Numerous bodybuilder deaths have been linked to the use of clenbuterol during the preceding weeks leading up to "sudden death syndrome". The cases where this has happened were almost exclusively related to either doses of clenbuterol well above 120mcg per day, or dosages being increased too quickly.

Cycle for a first/second time male: (Just under 6 weeks)
Day 1-4: 40mcg ED
Day 5-8: 60mcg ED
Day 9-12: 80mcg ED
Day 13-16: 100mcg ED
Day 17-40: 120mcg ED
With Betasleep from start to finish @2 tabs before bed.
You will need exactly 100 tabs @40mcg per tab.

Cycle for experienced males: (Just under 8 weeks)
Day 1-3: 40mcg ED
Day 4-6: 60mcg ED
Day 7-9: 80mcg ED
Day 10-12: 100mcg ED
Day 13-55: 120mcg ED
With Betasleep from start to finish @2 tabs before bed.
You will need exactly 150tabs @40mcg per tab.

Cycle for women: (Just under 6 weeks)
Day 1-5: 40mcg ED
Day 6-9: 60mcg ED
Day 10-41: 80mcg ED
With Betasleep from start to finish @2 tabs before bed.
You will need exactly 75tabs @40mcg per tab.

Your Clen cycle should be at least 3 weeks and i.m.o not longer than 12 weeks. I normally do 6-8 week Clen cycles. Clen works well with exercise, so be sure to get LOTS of exercise in your routine while on Clen. Also be sure to increase the intensity of your weight lifting session as this will count as a second cardio session per day. Effective weight loss right there!

Cardio should be moderate cardio only (i.e done at a heart rate of 65-75% of your maximum heart rate. To calculate your max heart rate, take 220bpm and minus your age from it. Then multiply with 65% and 75% to get your two boundary figures where your heart rate should lie. An easy way to get your heart rate at any given instant is to put your index and middle finger on your corroded artery and count the number of beats in 15 seconds. Multiply this by 4 to get to beats per minute.

Additional thoughts:
There is no need to taper down on Clen. I.e when you are on your last day at 120mcg, you can just stop taking it when you are done.
Allow your body and your heart decent rest time between cycles. At the very least time off = duration of cycle.
Clen works in synergy with yohimbine. Be sure to read the review on Yohimbine further down. Also if you think of combining Clen with T3, make sure that you do your research thoroughly on T3 before you even consider it.
Clen works with pretty much any diet.
Remember that if you experience side effects like shaky hands, a little bit of heart palpitations, and get tired quickly from little things like walking and just have the ritteltits, then that is a direct indication that the Clen is working.
It is perfectly safe to take your normal supps and vitamins and all that with Clen, except things that directly affect your heart or caffeine.
When taking Clen and supplementing with Creatine, you will quite likely experience bone-crunching cramps due to a shift in your electrolyte balance. We combat this by drinking electrolyte supps, and by supplementing with Taurine at 3g a day. I split the dose and take 2g in the morning and 1g at night. Potassium also helps. Bananas are a great source of potassium.

NB!! Some Clen DON'TS!
DO NOT exceed a dosage of 120mcg under any circumstances.
DO NOT inject Clen anywhere other than suitable subcatenous spots. I.m.o it is better to stick with orals.
If you are training and you feel your heart is going nuts, DO NOT stick through it. Rather rest until your heart settles down and continue when it is safe.
DO NOT use ephedrine or heat or any other fat burners that affect your heart while on Clen. Don't do it dude!
DO NOT use Clen if you have heart problems.
DO NOT exceed a heart rate of 75% of your maximum heart rate, and by extension DO NOT do high intensity interval training (HIIT) cardio.

In conclusion, Clen is an amazing compound that is perfectly safe when used correctly and with the right foundation in place. If you are disciplined with your diet and training and stick to your cardio, you can expect to lose anywhere between 0.5 to 3kgs of fat per week, depending on how well your body takes to the Clen. That being said, Clen is to be respected at all times and i.m.o is the most dangerous illegal substance to abuse. Heroine abuse gives you a couple of years, but Clen abuse is the same as playing russian roulette on a daily basis.

Clenbuterol and Yohimbine work in synergy. This means that if Clen gave a result of 2, and Yohimbine a result of three, then when used together they give a result greater than 5. I.m.o Clen + Yoh = 15!

You are welcome to post any fat burner questions in this thread.
Last edit: 18 Jun 2015 21:29 by Pyroclasm.

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20 May 2013 12:17 #139174 by MRfeathers
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nice post!

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20 May 2013 14:53 #139215 by iMan
3 months straight on clen? Come on, that's dangerous.

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20 May 2013 14:58 #139216 by Pyroclasm
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Again bud why?

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20 May 2013 14:59 #139218 by MRfeathers
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i have to agree with iMan. i wouldn't feel comfortable advising anyone to do clen longer than 6 weeks.

i hear what pyro has been saying about it, but that's just me

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20 May 2013 15:00 #139220 by MRfeathers
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ive only ever done it 6 weeks at a time and no more than 2 times a year. im just scared of that stuff

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20 May 2013 15:03 #139222 by Pyroclasm
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Let me add that i.m.o I would use clen for a maximum total time of 3 months in a year. Clen also has an unfortunate side effect that with years and years of use, even at correct dosages, (say 5 years) it might cause your heart to grow.

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20 May 2013 15:05 #139223 by iMan

Pyroclasm wrote: Let me add that i.m.o I would use clen for a maximum total time of 3 months in a year. Clen also has an unfortunate side effect that with years and years of use, even at correct dosages, (say 5 years) it might cause your heart to grow.


Okay cool. Nice post btw, maybe add in something about YHCL. +1

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20 May 2013 15:08 #139224 by Pyroclasm
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Will do bud!

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20 May 2013 17:49 #139273 by Ontong
@Pyroclasm thanks for this post bro.
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20 May 2013 22:33 - 20 May 2013 22:42 #139288 by Pyroclasm
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Trade Names: Yohombine, Yohimar, etc.
Active Compound: Yohimbine Hydrochloride
Half Life: 2-3 hours
Routes: Oral

Yohimbine is an alkaloid naturally found in Yohimbe, Indian Snakeroot and Niando. Yohimbine is an antagonist of the Alpha-2 adrenoceptors, as well as having moderate affinity for the Alpha-1 adrenergic receptors. Alpha-2 receptors are found in sites of the body where one tends to accumulate fat (abdomen, buttocks, breasts, and thighs).
Yohimbine is available as a prescription medication in the US for the treatment of male impotence, treatment of orgasmic dysfunction in men, hypoactive sexual desire disorder (reduced libido) in women, as well as to combat the sexual side effects of SSRI antidepressants.

Expected side effects include nausea, hot and cold flushes, mild anxiety, skin breakouts, allergic reactions, increased blood pressure on low doses, decreased blood pressure on higher doses, increased libido, red & watery eyes, and in doses exceeding 40mg side effects like a severe drop in blood pressure, hallucinations, and even paralysis have been experienced.
Personally I experience zero side effects at 10mg per day, but significant side effects at 20mg per day. Side effects include skin breakouts, hot flushes, generally feeling warm even on cold days, and horny as hell.

Yohimbine interacts with Norepinephrine Uptake Inhibitors (NRI's) such as dextromethorphan, tramadol, some antidepressants and CNS stimulants used to treat ADHD. Interactions with these medicines have been known to cause a hypertensive crisis. This is due to those drugs in combination with an Alpha-2 receptor antagonist leads to too much norepinephrine in the brain, which can cause blood pressure to spike to dangerous levels.

Studies suggest that the optimal dose for Yohimbine is 0.2mg/kg of bodyweight. This works out to 20mg per day for a 100kg person. Studies using smaller doses have concluded less favorable results. I would not use this is as a rule but merely a guideline. Remember that every person has unique genetic make-up and as a result we respond differently to compounds. I would advise starting at 10mg, then if sides are bearable increase to 20mg.

Something to bear in mind while using Yohimbine is that insulin completely blunts its lipolytic effects (fat burning effects), and thus it should ideally be used in a low-carb/ketogenic diet, or at the very least first thing in the morning on an empty stomach followed by fasted cardio. Take half the dosage before fasted cardio and half after your last carb meal of the day if you are on a moderate carb diet, and before every gym session if you are on a low carb/ketogenic diet.

Note that Yombine and Yohimbe or Yohimbe Bark are not the same thing. These are the elements where the Yohimbine is extracted from and contain only about 5-20% Yohimbine. They also come with their own list of side effects especially nausea. Stay away from these products especially from dodgy suppliers.

Yohimbine does not yield great results on its own and should be used in conjunction with Clenbuterol or Ephedrine for a synergetic relationship.

Suggested cycle:
Day 1-5: 10mg ED
Day 6-End: 20mg ED
To be used in conjunction with a suggested Clenbuterol cycle suggested above.
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25 May 2013 13:36 #139944 by www7
I was hoping you could help me

I'm a female wanting to use clen to lose a bit of weight. I know that one should follow a proper diet while using clen. That's where my problem comes in, I do not eat regular meals, sometimes I'll go for days without having a meal. Its a bad habit I've developed over the years.

Do any of you have any advice for me? Do you know of something else I can use to lose weight? (except for exercise and healthy eating)

I would really appreciate any help

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26 May 2013 14:08 #139994 by Pyroclasm
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I help gladly. Unfortunately I have some bad news for you- there is no such thing as a miracle weight loss drug. In terms of weightloss, diet is 174% important and fatburners and gymming should be seen as a diet aide only. Think about how many people you know that train their butts off every day in the gym but just can´t seem to lose that fat. Or those that do normally lose a bucket of muscle with the fat.

Let me explain exactly why it is important to eat eat eat (even on weightloss diet). When you don´t eat your metabolism will automatically slow down to the bare minimum. This is a defense mechanism because at the end of the day your number one priority is to stay alive, not look good. Once your body has gone into starvation mode, it will hold onto every bit of energy it has in reserve and try to use the things for energy that increase the amount of energy you need ever day (like muscle). So your body will hold onto the fat for as long as possible and try to eat muscle. Starvation diets only work for about 1% of the population. Besides not losing weight, your body will suffer and your immune system will not be able to function properly because ultimately you need to give it the ammo it requires to fight the war.

In conclusion, you need to eat more to weigh less.. ;)

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26 May 2013 14:18 #139996 by www7
Thank you for the advice.

I am aware of your metabolism slowing down when you don't eat. That is why I wanted to use Clen because apparently you can eat whatever you want and still not put on weight.

It's not that I don't want to eat, I'm just constantly busy and 99% of the time its easiest just to eat fast food. Because I'm determined not to put on weight I just skip meals until I have the time to prepare a salad or grab some fruit.

In my case would you recommend the use of Clen? Or would it end up doing more harm than good to me?

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26 May 2013 14:31 #139997 by Pyroclasm
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www7 wrote: Thank you for the advice.

I am aware of your metabolism slowing down when you don't eat. That is why I wanted to use Clen because apparently you can eat whatever you want and still not put on weight.

This is nonsense! A perfect example of "bro-science".

It's not that I don't want to eat, I'm just constantly busy and 99% of the time its easiest just to eat fast food. Because I'm determined not to put on weight I just skip meals until I have the time to prepare a salad or grab some fruit.

I agree that you should rather skip a meal than to eat fast foods. That being said why don´t you prepare some meals beforehand and bring it along with you? I prepare my meals every sunday and thursday. Then I simply add it to containers the night before and bring it with to work.

In my case would you recommend the use of Clen? Or would it end up doing more harm than good to me?


You really don´t need Clen for proper weight loss. Use it when you have been on your diet for a while, seen results, and when results slow down a bit then you can add Clen + Yohimbine. Clen will only add stress to the sytem and you won´t get results.

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